Video of Starbucks employee in UK branch

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https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1655477645184835586

It’s not clear what the customer said, it’s presumed she misgenders the employee as he calls her transphobic. He calls her Karen and then either grabs the phone or the person who’s filming.

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Nah, Voldemort is for those freaky white bunnies with the red eyes.

Surely using a JKR "name" is transphobic given how TRA's hate her?

Honestly I just don't get it.....

I'm so done with pandering to this crap.

Not at all off-topic.

These same people are getting "ladies and gentlemen" removed from public service announcements. I mean, women are sexually assaulted on tube trains all the time and TfL do fuckall to stop that, but one TW complains about gendered language and they change the wording of every announcement? For all trans people claim to be oppressed, they sure get listened to a lot. TfL certainly know who the men are when it comes to addressing complaints.

definitely not a dog

you would not be able to shout it

I'm still trying to work out how, according to India Willoughby, the Mumsnet mafia managed to get the, er, person, to throw Vanessa's bag in the air, throw her out, and smash a plate glass window, before getting them to don their coat and run away.

Damn, we're good.

We are brilliant.
I often marvel at the cleverness of posts on here.
Although we have no need to engineer anything cos the numpties show their true colours over and again, without help from anyone.

First rule of misogyny, innit. Although I reckon the Starbucks manager exemplified the first four.

Southampton is a major cruise terminal, and a huge university city.

What a cultural clash my friends. Stonewall have missed a trick here! Cruise passengers MUST I say, MUST be met as they enter Southampton with big electric road signs, induction training, badge monitoring, and gender neutral toilet training. It's critical for the survival of the cruise industry .

Students should volunteer at the dozen or so cruise terminals to educate the holiday makers in pronoun etiquette and how to spot a lady.

Or maybe they can just sell coffee and get over themselves!

No, I won't be checking myself, thanks but no thanks.

Did you miss the bit where I talked about how the trans lobby are getting public service announcements changed? This isn't just about one violent idiot who just happens to be trans, it's about the whole world being expected to change how we speak and write for the sake of the feelings of a tiny tiny minority, with the threat of violence to force compliance. It only takes one trans observed-male-at-birth person who is willing to use violence to impose his world view on everyone else, like the Starbucks manager, to make everyone scared to speak in case we say the "wrong" thing and get our money stolen and violently assaulted. You might want to look up "chilling effect". You might want to research how rapists are the enforcers of patriarchy and see the parallels between that and the Starbucks manager using violence and intimidation to enforce gender ideology.

It only takes one trans observed-male-at-birth person who is willing to use violence to impose his world view on everyone else

And we know that there are many more than just one.

The 800 posts on this thread beg to differ.

Check it yourself

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread?reply=80551608

Smh that people are using this video as proof that trans people are entitled/insane.

This behaviour is 100 percent driven by the expectations this microcosm of trans identifying people have. It's not untypical. And it escalated into a very alarming situation in a tourist area with people that are not immersed in the incompetent rules.

On the face of it it's a very good illustration of precisely that which you are upset about isn't it?

There are weirdos in every group.

Group? This is a shop selling coffee, not a group meeting place, or a private club. We can reasonably expect not to be picked up and thrown out of a coffee shop no matter how weird the personal opinions are of the people employed to make coffee. It's a job, not a lifestyle performance venue.

It only got so much attention because its cool to hate on trans people at the moment.
Or maybe because it's an example of the disconnect between people that think it's cool to have identities that they expect to be able to impose on others and people just living their lives?

Not in a live and let live but let's make sports fair kind of way, in a way which calls all trans women perverts and says all trans women who have had bottom surgery have festering holes. That is a direct quote from mumsnet a few days ago.

This customer did none of that. If your adopted identity makes you angry at the world you are going to struggle because the rest of the world doesn't care to even notice.

I'm ignoring your unpleasant attempt to haul in race, it's unworthy of serious discussion.

Please tell me the name on the badge is Mrs Norris.

If your adopted identity makes you angry at the world you are going to struggle because the rest of the world doesn't care to even notice.

If you rely on others agreeing with your view of yourself to be happy, you are going to spend a lot of your time miserable, whether you are trans or not. I've been missexed. It demonstrates that the other person isn't paying attention, is partially sighted , is very drunk, or is trying to goad me into becoming angry or sad by comparing me to a man to try to insult my appearance. In the last case, that's a reflection on who they are, not on who I am.

I spent a chunk of my early twenties wishing I had a male body, and occasionally still get those thoughts now. The problem is less that my body is wrong and more that I am sick of being treated like a second-class citizen because of the body I was born with. I don't expect anyone to think of me as a man, that would be ridiculous. I'd like to be treated with the same decency and presumption of competence as men are. Changing my name and wearing a badge proclaiming "he/him" wouldn't make that happen.

If you make the massive move of cutting your cock off you’re in. The rest of stereotypical what “women like” stuff is outrageous. Women’s rights are be eroded and unsurprisingly male dominated society couldn’t give a shit.

If you make the massive move of cutting your cock off you’re in.

I disagree. Women aren't dickless men.

Personally, respectfully believe that some people have a terrible feeling they were born in the wrong body and just want a nice quiet life. They maybe not biologically women, but cutting one’s willy off means you are at least deadly serious.

Post op people are not in the same category as a bloke in a dress, screaming that he should be seen as woman to the detriment of others. Don’t even get me started on the gender fluid men, who use sexiest tropes to re gender themselves on a daily basis.

Rather than compiling a list of exemptions, surely it’s easier and fairer just to ban all men from women’s single sex spaces?

The reason it is a toxic issue is that everyone has their opinion on it. I don’t think post op transsexuals are male, but that’s an opinion. There is no clarity. Imagine ten years ago someone told you this would be an issue…

Exactly this.

A reliance on other people validating your identity is not a route to happiness.

Quite the reverse. It's a mentality that is bound to fill a person with resentment and rage by failing to recognise that other people also have right to their own beliefs and more pertinently biological reality - hence the rage when they don't comply.

It's so deeply patronising to expect every person encountered to be a "support human" that enables a persons reality disconnect at the expense of their own experience.

Trans ideology is imho an excuse to legitimise behaviour that would not be considered acceptable in any other context and the reason it's gained a foothold in society is simply because the collateral damage is all dumped on women.

That store manager wouldn't have challenged my husband had he used the wrong pronouns. He'd have clocked straight away that his ability to physically intimidate him was on a hiding to nothing.

Bloody cowards.

So what about men who cut off their cocks as a fetish (yes it happens and probably more often than you think).

Are they female? No.

There are no blurred lines here. None.

A human cannot change sex.

There is no surgery or medication that can change you from XX to XY or the reverse.

Biologically, they remain male. That's not opinion, that's fact.

An opinion would be suggesting that penectomied males should be treated as female. A dissenting opinion would be suggesting that all males be treated as males.

It's really important to distinguish between facts and opinions. Not doing so is what underpins the unscientific trainwreck known as "queer theory".