Video of Starbucks employee in UK branch

[FisherthemsFriend]

https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1655477645184835586

It’s not clear what the customer said, it’s presumed she misgenders the employee as he calls her transphobic. He calls her Karen and then either grabs the phone or the person who’s filming.

Aye and it's not a mistake to refer to him as such.

Someone on Twitter said this person used to work at the Hedge End Starbucks in Southampton.

I wonder what the initial incident was - I get the impression that the guy videoing it is the woman’s husband (from the “apparently we said something transphobic” comment and when the scuffle over the phone is happening you can hear her saying “someone call the police … assaulting my husband”).

I guess he knew his wife was not going to back down over whatever started it.

Never really bothered myself to look at neopronouns. Fuck my life, what utter navel gazing, pretentious horseshit:

"There are a wide array of neopronouns currently in use, though some are much more common than others. Some neopronoun sets include:
Xe/xem/xyrs/xemself
Xy/xyr/xyrs/xyrself
Hi/hir/hirs/hirself
Ze/zir/zirs/zirself
Ey/em/eirs/emself
Ne/nem/nems/nemself
Fae/faer/faers/faerself
Ae/aer/aers/aerself
Thon/thon/thon/thonself
Per/per/pers/perself
Ve/ver/vers/verself
Zee/zed/zeta/ zetas/zedself".

If challenged, I'm declaring my mild speech impairment to be responsible for my inability to pronounce most of them when they sound much like him or her.

Generally my view has always been freedom. We used to have a liberal left (rather than the more modern "woke" left). The liberal left believed in freedom and different views too as much free market traditional liberals and conservatives. That means freedom to offend too - Je suis Charlie etc. right to insult Jesus and Mo and just about anyone.

We should also be free to state facts as to biological matters, DNA etc etc.

Eg jenny is black and was brought up in a white only family and area. Jenny "identifies as white". The fact however remains that her skin colour is black.

Anyway at least the voice of truth seems to be permitted to be expressed more nowadays than just a few years ago.

I think where it becomes really problematic is that by refusing to comply with the command to mis sex a person can get us into all sorts of bother. At work for example we might be dismissed for misgendering an individual presumably? The individual would be able to raise a grievance etc.

In schools children are being compelled to lie about the sex of class mates en masse and are being told to be kind to children who are adopting a gender identity.

Women in universities are being told to ignore men in what used to be single sex spaces and to 'respect their right to be there'.

Women have been accused of hate speech for refusing to state a person's chosen gender and for correctly sexing.

We can refuse to go along with it but many can't because even without the threat of violence society has decided that if we don't tell this lie we are bigoted.

There needs to be a shift back to reality on the part of the media, politicians, laws and educators before we can be really be confident to tell the truth about what we see with our eyes.

I mean how have we got to the point where we have to lie about a person sex or we are bigoted? How has it got to the point that children are being encouraged to start pathways that lead to lifetime medicalisation, body modification and infertility? How have we got to male sex offenders in women's prisons, men competing in women's sport?

All of this has just been allowed to happen because we have been compelled to lie and pretend that men can be women if they say they feel like it and that it is an act of violence to correctly sex someone.

I wouldn’t be able to pronounce those neopronouns or remember them. There comes a point where we have to stop indulging this insanity. Fine, a TW wants to be called she, an enby goes by they and a TM goes by he. Knock yourselves out but don’t police my speech, thank you. As for neopronouns, I’m definitely not playing!

Angry people stick together.

Jesus&Mo has quite a lot of pertinent strips!

www.jesusandmo.net/comic/hybrid/

www.jesusandmo.net/comic/beer/

Just recently

Incidentally, the TikTok video posted upthread with the they/them earrings is not the Starbucks barista.

So we still don’t know how the Starbucks folx identifies. How many genders are we up to now?

I'm blocked by India but I've seen a screenshot where he blames this incident on the 'Gender Critical Mumsnet Mafia'....all six of us.

I like the comment which says wistfully

“some of us grew up with Boy George who had long hair and wore make up but were men”

so very true. No wonder us older people get confused. And as for expecting someone to ignore the obvious, read the earrings and make the connections in nano seconds …….. precious or what!

GCMM...another acronym!

IW's comment on twitter.

"I know from experience how the Gender Critical Mumsnet Mafia work. I’ll bet this was targeted harassment and a set-up to get a reaction."

Yes, apparently it’s a Gender Critical Mumsnet Mafia set up and targeted harassment 🤔

Ooooh, please can I join?

women are blamed for everything

Well, I will consider joining only if I can be a «bigot» and a «phobe» of anything of my choosing.
And make earrings people must read whilst I dangle them about aggressively because they have gotten something entirely made up - which they couldn’t possibly guess- wrong.

I know two Karens and they are lovely.

It's always our fault. No-one is ever an arsehole by his/her/them/zir/bunself.

I'm blocked by India but I've seen a screenshot where he blames this incident on the 'Gender Critical Mumsnet Mafia'....all six of us.

Yes, must be a set up, because a male TRA acting like an entitled brat whilst intimidating women is just soooo unusual and out of character and not something we see on a weekly fucking basis, eh India? 🙄

You can ADVISE on your preferred third-person pronouns by wearing a badge or dangly earrings or whatnot.

As ou rightly emphasise - advise - or "request". they have no right to "demand". No-one has the right to force others to comply with their delusions and compel their speech.

At most, we can ask others to allow us to wallow in our own idiocy, as long as it doesn't harm others - other people don't have to join in if they don't want to.

I know from experience how the Gender Critical Mumsnet Mafia work. I’ll bet this was targeted harassment and a set-up to get a reaction - India W

They can never own it can they?

Bad behaviour is ALWAYS the fault of someone else.

I don't think for one moment this was set up, but let's say it was how does that that justify the reaction?

Additionally does anyone really believe that the employee would have behaved that way to a male customer? Of course they wouldn't.

The only set up this smacks of is the employee waiting shift after shift for a person they felt safe intimidating to inadvertently misgender them.

Companies like Starbucks really need to wake up and smell their own coffee.

When you buy into an ideology to promote your brand you attract "believers" into the workplace. Believers who think the company values offer a platform and place of safety from which to preach the cause and shame the sinners.

Only problem is everyone has forgotten those "sinners" are actually customers and most customers don't like corporations telling what they should think and why should they?

I want my coffee unadulterated by gender wank thank you very much.

Geez Mumsnet really lives in his head

Bad behaviour is ALWAYS the fault of someone else.

Yes and it's always the fault of women, especially middle aged women.

I'm already swollen with pride at this accolade . . .

Well done ladies! Tea and Really Nice Biscuits all round, I think.