Video of Starbucks employee in UK branch

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https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1655477645184835586

It’s not clear what the customer said, it’s presumed she misgenders the employee as he calls her transphobic. He calls her Karen and then either grabs the phone or the person who’s filming.

Are they? honestly doesn't bother me, if someone wants to be called 'they' its not really a big ask. Could think of things much more annoying

Glad to hear it @QueenHippolyta
The Karen thing has gone too far and I hope more people using the slur will meet consequences

Some people need to learn that having a personal preference for something doesn't make that obligatory for the rest of the world.

Preferred pronouns. Not mandated ones.

Doesn't matter how many examples I witness, naked male fury and aggression directed at a woman who won't obey him always makes my stomach churn with empathetic fear.

Yes it’s all this @Abhannmor and it’s destroyed a name, turning it into a shame badge, fearing to have to give birth name when introducing self, being mocked, bullied online etc.

The justification trotted out - it’s fine if it’s your name, just don’t be a Karen - simply is not what’s actually happening in reality

I will happily use someone's chosen pronouns but there needs to be a shared understanding that slip ups might happen and there is no malice behind it.

The trans colleagues I've had have all worked on that principle. Especially on the phone. The behaviour in this video is far from universal. I did deal with one service user who very much did not take that approach and they were the despair of others in the local LGBTQ community because they created bad feeling that previously didn't exist with their complaints and attitude.

No one likes to be told they're prejudiced based on genuine error. You're not going to win anyone over that way.

It's not actually an error though is it, he is a he.

Think she was, I would have felt intimidated by her. Imagine that being a man, wonder if that would have been different

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I'm prepared to bet my house the employee would not have been as aggressive and confrontational with a male customer,

Although maybe in the interest of fairness and not misgendering etc they may have had a punt anyway. But unlikely

I hope if ever in a similar situation I can decide to Take No Shit also. I hate confrontation and an individual like StarBuckie would be able to tell and immediately use that to his advantage

She's bloody awesome

The customer might have made a mistake, or she might have wilfully used the ‘wrong’ pronouns if she is the sort of person who doesn’t like being told how to speak.

And that is her right. She alone has the right to decide which words come out of her mouth. Others are welcome to feel insulted or offended or think her incredibly rude. But even deliberate rudeness does not excuse aggression.

I also disagree with posters who felt that the customer came across as aggressive. She raised her voice yes, perhaps so that she could be heard over the din, or because she is assertive. When a person raises their voice at another person, that other person is very likely to raise their voice in response. She looked very calm and in control to me and I admire her for it. I think I would have felt intimidated and am ashamed to admit that I’d probably have slunk away with a mumbled apology. I hope that if I’m ever in a situation like this, I’ll remember this ‘Karen’ and the way she handled herself.

Ahaha. Crossed posts with some very similar sentiments!

I agree, correctly sexing a person should not be problematic.

If you think that it is then you believe that speech should be compelled.

As for the response well it's just saying that if we refuse to have our speech compelled we deserve what's coming to us. Just NO.

I am not going to be pressured into telling lies. Especially when these lies are not neutral. Compelled pronouns are being used as a stick to beat non - believers. So I'm not going to use them.

It's the equivalent of the N-word to use against women. Just a blatant weaponised put down.

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I did giggle when I read dawgs post, and consequent diggety digging further and further down the hole in the ground they had diggity dug for dawgselves.

Also, no I wont read your earrings with words on them.
How can anyone think they have their own pronouns? It is SO daft.

But I will let you know that I identify as a shrimp, and good luck to you trying to work out which pronouns my shrimpself has!

I predict a surge in the use of neo-pronouns when everyone gets bored of good old they/them. Things will only get more confusing.

There's been a bit of a debate, should we all just be pleasant and social, and use these pronouns just to rub along. And in some ways, this really can be argued. It means a lot to certain people, getting along means being as polite as possible in some social situations.

But the way I see it, pronouns are also a desensitising tactic, a gateway drug. By kowtowing to a practice you deep down know to be fake, inconsistent and against every logic you normally run your life by, you weaken your self belief, your natural principles.

And of course, it's gets easier for the TRAs to then get you into harder drugs...beginning to accept men can genuinely become women, looking the other way when Austin Killips, Adam Bryson etc invade reality, falling hook line and sinker for the whole BeKind DontJudge BeYourself TransWomenAreWomen on-message branding.

And so I've moved from live and let live on this to the attitude I had when extricating from organised religion as a teen...you live your life as you want, don't force your beliefs on me.

India Willoughby wants to get in touch with sacked employee. Feels sorry for them.

India in "goady fucker" shocker.

We're already there, aren't we? A year or two ago I saw a very angry person on TikTok saying that OF COURSE some people didn't identify as humans, and OF COURSE some people's pronouns were bun/bunself or similar.

What a time to be alive

If IW is hovering to offer support it is usually an indication that the person is properly in the wrong.

Colour me fucking surprised that Windy wants to wade in.

My history group has no time for woke and I told him this Karen was braving danger in a war zone while was safe at home. He looked the tiny fool.
I would still stand up in any group and be a proud middle -aged Lesbian and own Karen just like TERF!

diggety digging further and further down the hole in the ground they had diggity dug for dawgselves.

Lol. I almost feel sorry for angry ex employee.

it’s destroyed a name, turning it into a shame badge, fearing to have to give birth name when introducing self, being mocked, bullied online etc.

DH was puzzled when catching up with a friend (Brit in the US) that he kept saying 'my wife' rather than her name, and appalled when I explained that was probably because she's called Karen.