Video of Starbucks employee in UK branch

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https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1655477645184835586

It’s not clear what the customer said, it’s presumed she misgenders the employee as he calls her transphobic. He calls her Karen and then either grabs the phone or the person who’s filming.

I’d have ‘misgendered’ him and I wouldn’t apologise because I’m not going to lie. Up to him to pretend to be a woman, up to me not to go along with it.

I am sure there wouldn’t have been a peep out of him if a big burly bloke had done the same as the woman.

And I’m not wearing make up or earrings today, do I have to hand in my ovaries now?

Guess so, @SidewaysOtter

All this lying. All this pretending. It's a social fiction and EVERYONE knows it but for a variety of reasons not everyone admits it.

Look how aggressive he gets. What next, all truth wiped out. I applaud the woman actually for not being intimidated by a man clapping and shouting in her face

@SidewaysOtter course not, you just need to embrace your masculinity and change your pronouns. Otherwise you'll confuse people.

If it was 2019 I think the TRAs would have instigated a massive Twitter pile on , calls to boycott etc.
Starbucks would have banned the customer and issued a sanctimonious statement of ' allyship'. Mr Clappy would have been promoted and his podcast would have a million followers.

Now ? There will be a wave of apathy. Some people will start using Costa for a bit of peace and quiet maybe. Finit. Everyone is shit sick of it all.

Your ovaries are now male ovaries.

Yes, one of the Twitter replies to that, or the other video, I can't remember now, was a man saying 'I straight up don't give a fuck about your pronouns.'

Pretty much becoming the prevailing attitude.

The guy clapping in her face and calling her Karen and demanding her to leave wasn’t intimidated in the least. He was aggressive.

Anyone doing that clapping thing in a public facing job and acting like that should go, which thankfully he has.

So you can excuse yourself for making a mistake but someone else is being apparently hateful for doing the same thing.

One rule for them another for the rest of us which I why I refuse to play their games.

I think this 'they' business has pushed many people over the edge. Its one thing being 'kind' and acting like a trans woman is female, but how the fuck does it enhance anyone's life to be called they? Its just nonsense and most people are getting sick of it.

I got called a Karen recently by a young male in my 90% male history group. He was pissed off I corrected him about historical nomenclature.
He picked on the wrong lesbian.
Gentle reader he was kicked out.
I don't put up with that sexist anti-age crap.

God how embarrassing. As you get older you realise literally nobody cares. They just don’t. Except perhaps your mum.

These youngsters have lived in this cosseted world of online validation and in education hitting reality with a hard bump.

Good for you @QueenHippolyta ! It's disgraceful how such insulting behaviour has been almost normalised. It is indeed sexist , ageist and dependent on circumstances, racist.

It's like inventing a more opaque term for Jewish or Irish people? And being all faux naive when called out. Or ' acting the gom' as we say. Really almost grotesque in the context of a history group.

Well done. I’m so pleased to hear that the group supported you. Sometimes it feels as if men are completely oblivious to misogyny.

I touched upon this earlier in the thread.

Young people have been conditioned to believe that this response is justified, after all misgendering is literal violence and nasty Terfs are transphobic bigots.

They have been encouraged and supported by universities who have deplatformed alternative opinions and have allowed posters to go up in women's loos telling women that they are wrong to question males in their spaces.

This is going to go on happening I think, if the Labour Party enshrine self ID if they are elected this kind of incident will get worse.

I'd like to see a police response to this. The optics are bad if they ignore it. They stand beside the rainbow barrier. All of this is a culture that puts women in the wrong for speaking the truth.

It's awful.

We’ve seen the impact elsewhere

The recent event in the university in US and the violence in NZ

Politicians and police defending it. It’s so bad

I had a rant a few pages back about the very teenage attitude of expecting anyone to read earrings in order to understand and use your pronoun. In reality we are all busy and rushed and someone serving us in a coffee shop is not going to be the centre of our universe.

I’m quite fat and have often been taken to be pregnant because my weight sits round my middle. It has sometimes been hurtful but no one has ever done it maliciously and I wouldn’t have dreamed of making them feel bad or getting angry at them, despite it being a wrong assumption. It’s because they’ve made that judgement at a quick glance and it’s a mistake.

I do think there is a lot of arrested development going on.

Yes, people liek the trans person here need to toughen up and just get on with being nice to people and smiling like the rest of us try to do in civilised society even if someone says something that gets us wrong eg I don't like people using my first name who don't know me, doctors, nurses etc but I don't get in a state or even mention it if they do. I just get on with life for the sake of pleasantness. Nor could I care less if people think I am male or female. I just about never wear make up, jewellery etc. but am female (and 61) nor would I mind if someone called me old.

People hjave often assumed my house was bought by a husband (rather than by me who earned 10x my teacher husband) but there is no point in getting angry at people who get things wrong (or in this case the customer got it right really)....laughing as I type.

'I straight up don't give a fuck about your pronouns.' is a pretty good quote.

'I straight up don't give a fuck about your pronouns.'

I want that on a T-shirt.

It's very clear that, whatever you think of Elon Musk, removing Twtter's previously highly biased approach to moderating the different positions on gender ideology has changed the mediasphere's perception of how "accepted" the belief that gender identity supercedes sex really is.

("Mediasphere" being my own term for those who in theory both reflect and respond to public opinion. That's journalists and commentators obviously, but also politicians, lobby groups, charities, corporates, advertisers, marketing, PR, influencers, online and offline content creators etc....Basically anyone who broadcasts a message to an envisioned "public" rather than known individuals.)

The sad thing is, that basic insight that society's rigid gender roles attached to sex don't really work is right. It's just instead of realising that gender roles are bollocks for everyone, they've gone down some weird side route of assuming everyone other than them fits a gender norm.

That part is fascinating isn't it? You can really tell now how biased the twitter algorithms before Musk and team normalized them.

That's really that issue here. A whole generation of self absorbed narcissists were bought up never being told no and then went straight into an echo chamber where everyone affirmed their nonsense beliefs and said yes of course you are a woman now. Because the majority of people who knew it was bs were silenced and intimidated into going along with it, often to safeguard their jobs. Now that that is changing and people are waking up to how insane and out of control TRA ideologies are these people are just gob smacked and in shock that, actually, no, most people don't care about their pronouns and ridiculous attempts at compelled speech. That's where all this inarticulate rage is coming from I think. Fantasy meets hard reality.

Someone mentioned 2019 and what response would have been

I think even on here it’s changed. There was a time where using he would have gained a deletion

I’m glad things are changing and we can at least use correct pronouns, tg

I think though that there’s also a lot of right wing Twitter, which has always existed, talking about trans stuff loudly. I am profoundly uncomfortable and resentful that the UK’s #bekind #nodebate stance means that it’s very easy now to align GC voices with the US Conservative right. I disagree with virtually everything they stand for.