Video of Starbucks employee in UK branch

[FisherthemsFriend]

https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1655477645184835586

It’s not clear what the customer said, it’s presumed she misgenders the employee as he calls her transphobic. He calls her Karen and then either grabs the phone or the person who’s filming.

Did anyone see the news item?

Not the customer that is trash here. Rude barista.

Oh you made a mistake? Shall I clap in your face, scream at you and chuck you out without a refund? And you're STILL being transphobic- some people DO identify as 'it'. Looks like you can't keep up with the ever changjng trans language.
Thing is, I don't see him as it/they/them or thing, they are very clearly, even from the still pictures, a male. He/him is factually correct no matter what his personality or feelings are.

So in essence what @hotdiggetydog is that they don't mind having their speech compelled.

A person is what and who they say they are.

What I want to know is now that @hotdiggetydog has been corrected and knows there were not two women speaking and they have in fact committed the literal violence that is misgendering, if they can see how ridiculous the whole thing is in the first place?

Because this is what this all is. Failing to fall in line with compelled speech can result in violent. All of us should be warned. Even if the error is honest.

What a fucking joke.

Why does he assume her gender when dishing out the misogynistic slur, for all he knows she might identify as a tomato

Bit off piste but what if a customer is visually impaired? They’d go on the voice of the person they’d spoken to and that could sound male. No insult intended but understandable how a customer would say “he”.

If the shop are in the habit of buying leaving gifts for employees, they may wish to consider these…

Oh, so true for me. I wish I could go back and be less awkward in my transactions when I was younger and nervous. Thank you to everyone who understood and tolerated my younger self.

I have not said otherwise. I have said that the fury directed at middle aged white women ‘Karens’ is disproportionate. And that middle aged/older women (of all races) are the least violent sector of current society.

Where is the equivalent term to Karen for white men?

And why is so much attention being focused on the group of people who present the least threat to the rest of society?

Well yes, and what if the person has learning difficulties, or has communication difficulties?

What if the person just doesn't WANT to lie?

If that person said 'I identify as Black African' or 'I identify as a six-year-old child' or 'I identify as a wheelchair user', even though very clearly none of these are true, what would you see?

So if I wear ear-rings and makeup, that is some sort of sign in the gendered world that I wish to be referred to by "they" pronouns? Have I got that right?

I really hope this is true!

But how does wearing earrings demonstrate that?

Well, as discussed earlier in the thread, being autistic is apparently not a mitigating factor.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/teen-prosecuted-after-asking-whether-17651755.amp

Bit off piste but what if a customer is visually impaired? They’d go on the voice of the person they’d spoken to and that could sound male. No insult intended but understandable how a customer would say “he”.

tbh I think visual impairment would probably help in 'correctly' identifying that person's gender - only someone relying very heavily on long hair as a visual cue would think to use "she."

No.

Are you referring to the TikTok? Those earrings specifically spelt out the words ‘They/Them’ (just like the ones Arcane linked spell ‘StayAway’).

If you wore earrings that specifically said ‘They/Them’ then some people might infer that you wanted to be referred to by those pronouns. But I imagine by most people they’d go unnoticed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12060053/Starbucks-sack-trans-worker-berated-female-customer-confrontation-misgendered.html

…it doesn’t. The person is saying they think it should be obvious that they want to be referred to as ‘they/them’ because they’re essentially wearing a label that says ‘they/them’ (those specific earrings, similar to the ones Arcane linked).

I personally don’t think I’d notice what someone’s earrings said but that’s besides the point.

The Daily Mail refer to the aggresive man in the altercation as 'her/she'. Why do newspapers do this? How do we complain?

I remember the 60s/70s when men with long hair, when viewed from behind, were regularly called miss. When a bloke with a beard turned around it was usually followed by laughter and an embarrassed apology. These days people who are obviously male expect to be referred to as miss because they are wearing a bit of lippy and have a hissy fit just because people have good eyesight. This employee's behaviour was appalling especially as he also attacked the person who was filming the altercation.

If that person said 'I identify as Black African' or 'I identify as a six-year-old child'

well, you wouldn’t be alone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3356084/I-ve-gone-child-Husband-father-seven-52-leaves-wife-kids-live-transgender-SIX-YEAR-OLD-girl-named-Stefonknee.html

Not sure actually I think I'd have found the woman a bit threatening she's very loud. What did she say to them? No-one stepped in at any stage which is a bit weird given the loudness of both parties. Why was that man standing filming & not trying to diffuse the situation? Or another worker? Everyone just seemed to stand around watching the show.
I think both parties don't look great in this but the phone incident wasn't helpful at all. It did though look like both parties were about to get physical in the shop.
You have to have a lot of skills to work in that environment & I don't think that this person is suited to it.

The woman wasn't aggressive at all @Messyhair321 - she simply stood her ground refusing to be called transphobic.

You didn’t make a mistake

you saw a man with a male body and a male voice bullying an older woman and screaming about her being transphobic. And then going for the man filming

you assumed the man was a transwoman.

why?

there is nothing in that video to suggest he is not just a bad tempered, violent and unpleasant man.

why did it make you think he was a woman?