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Video of Starbucks employee in UK branch

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FisherthemsFriend · 08/05/2023 11:11

https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1655477645184835586

It’s not clear what the customer said, it’s presumed she misgenders the employee as he calls her transphobic. He calls her Karen and then either grabs the phone or the person who’s filming.

https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1655477645184835586

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Delphinium20 · 08/05/2023 23:27

All this lying. All this pretending. It's a social fiction and EVERYONE knows it but for a variety of reasons not everyone admits it.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 08/05/2023 23:32

Messyhair321 · 08/05/2023 23:22

Not sure actually I think I'd have found the woman a bit threatening she's very loud. What did she say to them? No-one stepped in at any stage which is a bit weird given the loudness of both parties. Why was that man standing filming & not trying to diffuse the situation? Or another worker? Everyone just seemed to stand around watching the show.
I think both parties don't look great in this but the phone incident wasn't helpful at all. It did though look like both parties were about to get physical in the shop.
You have to have a lot of skills to work in that environment & I don't think that this person is suited to it.

Right, so if some loon starts aggressively ranting at a woman, she’s not allowed to talk back assertively, or she’s as bad as him? Roger that - let’s all just do whatever shouty men demand. Mustn’t stick up for ourselves- so unfeminine.

GailBlancheViola · 08/05/2023 23:36

hotdiggetydog · 08/05/2023 22:13

One matter is me making a mistake and then there's you labelling a non binary person as an "it" or a "thing"

Your language is absolutely disgusting and your prejudices shine right through.

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Your mistake is literal violence, transphobic and denying the person in questions existence @hotdiggetydog. For the record no penance you perform will ever be good enough for that heinous 'mistake'.

TheSilveryPussycat · 08/05/2023 23:40

Oh dear. I didn't even notice the ear-rings could be read...

DifficultBloodyWoman · 09/05/2023 00:12

DerekFaker · 08/05/2023 22:11

From twitter

Best thing I’ve seen all day!
🤣😂🤣😂🤣

1stWorldProblems · 09/05/2023 00:25

No bad Google reviews biy 00:23 on Tuesday on Google maps, so hopefully he's been fired. My local areas but can't boycott as their coffee is vile to start with

bd67thSaysReinstateLangCleg · 09/05/2023 01:28

EveryWitchWaybutLoose · 08/05/2023 18:45

Here's a post by a Tweeter connecting the ex-Starbucks TRA barista with this person.

https://twitter.com/MalesInDisguise/status/1655599457797390337

Turn the sound on - voice is male.

And at the end, he points to his earrings and his eye make up, to show that he is not a man.

Well, I don't wear earrings or make up, so maybe I am not a woman, and didn't know it ...

That video's been around for ages.

Newjobformoremoney · 09/05/2023 01:32

Apparently the barista has been fired.

bd67thSaysReinstateLangCleg · 09/05/2023 01:46

Miajk · 08/05/2023 18:49

Some women (and men) should shut up?

The word originated from the fact that these women would yell at teenage employees working as service staff because their order was wrong (when it wasn't) or because the medium steak they ordered is pink. Or because they wanted an extra hot coffee. Or because the food took 5 minutes to arrive.

And yes absolutely in that case they need to shut up because it's entitled, nasty behaviour and you shouldn't eat out if you can't behave. Pulling the misogyny card when called out on this behaviour is pretty pathetic

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Karen as an insult actually started with Reddit user karmacop9 complaining about his divorce, but never mind actual facts.

Also it's irrelevant to this thread whether the customer was a "Karen" or not because it's not OK to clap your hands in someone's face, it's not OK to take their money without giving them what they paid for, and it's not OK to assault someone and try to take their phone.

YesSirICanShuffle · 09/05/2023 01:48

Thank you for a fab thread everyone.
I fear it’s about to go. Just tried to click “watch” but there’s no option to do so.

margarine17 · 09/05/2023 01:53

"watch" is working for me

YesSirICanShuffle · 09/05/2023 01:54

Why can’t we start a protest, similar to a flash mob, whereby we arrange to go into I don’t know, somewhere like Wagamama for example, and start complaining that the staff member didn’t give us enough respect when we were identifying as a fish, or an otter, or a partridge or some such?

@OldGardinia have particularly enjoyed and agree with your posts.

YesSirICanShuffle · 09/05/2023 01:55

@margarine17 okay I will give it another try.

bd67thSaysReinstateLangCleg · 09/05/2023 02:11

DerekFaker · 08/05/2023 22:49

Well, as discussed earlier in the thread, being autistic is apparently not a mitigating factor.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/teen-prosecuted-after-asking-whether-17651755.amp

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I hope the lad appeals. He was rude, I'll grant that, by commenting on someone's appearance within earshot, but last time I looked it wasn't a criminal offence to be rude about someone.

That's frightening. I'm autistic, I can imagine a younger me making a similar error of judgment.

landOFconfusion · 09/05/2023 05:57

Helleofabore · 08/05/2023 12:32

You also victim blamed Fred Sargeant for being badly assaulted while peacefully protesting at a Pride event, one he was instrumental in laying the foundations to happen.

No person should be saying horrific things as you report the woman saying. However, your easy use of ‘German Frau’ was also denigrating and misogynistic.

If this person was calling out a truly hateful act, surely they would have called the police. I have worked in customer service and hospitality roles on and off throughout my life and no customer is deserving of this treatment. If people have been told by their community that this is appropriate for any reason, the community needs to re-evaluate.

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You’re actually suggesting that the term ‘German Frau’ is denigrating and misogynistic when it literally just means German woman?

Do you know what the term Frau even means? It is the honorific that German women use to describe themselves in everyday language.

Are you similarly incensed by expressions like English lady? Or is it only mysterious foreign words that upset you?

risefromyourgrave · 09/05/2023 06:19

hotdiggetydog · 08/05/2023 21:52

Yes

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Ah come on now dog you’ve got to be attempting satire, leave it to Titania McGrath though…

NicCageisnotNickCave · 09/05/2023 06:28

landOFconfusion · 09/05/2023 05:57

You’re actually suggesting that the term ‘German Frau’ is denigrating and misogynistic when it literally just means German woman?

Do you know what the term Frau even means? It is the honorific that German women use to describe themselves in everyday language.

Are you similarly incensed by expressions like English lady? Or is it only mysterious foreign words that upset you?

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I can never decide if you are a million-year-old head-in-a-jar typing with a prong on your forehead or if you just pretend the last 20 years of English-language perjorative slang haven’t happened for disingenuous reasons…

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risefromyourgrave · 09/05/2023 06:32

landOFconfusion · 09/05/2023 05:57

You’re actually suggesting that the term ‘German Frau’ is denigrating and misogynistic when it literally just means German woman?

Do you know what the term Frau even means? It is the honorific that German women use to describe themselves in everyday language.

Are you similarly incensed by expressions like English lady? Or is it only mysterious foreign words that upset you?

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”Siri, show me the meaning of disingenuous’.

Igneococcus · 09/05/2023 06:37

I read your post before it was deleted @landOFconfusion and I don't believe for a second that you meant "German Frau" as a honorific in this context. In the more than 20 years I have lived in the UK, if someone addressed me as "Frau" it was either a drunk in the pub trying clumsily to chat me up or someone passive-aggressively reminding me that I'm foreign and have no right to voice an opinion. In your case, you probably wanted to give your - most likely apocryphal, - story some more added evilness and put it beyond questioning.

ArabeIIaScott · 09/05/2023 06:42

bd67thSaysReinstateLangCleg · 09/05/2023 02:11

I hope the lad appeals. He was rude, I'll grant that, by commenting on someone's appearance within earshot, but last time I looked it wasn't a criminal offence to be rude about someone.

That's frightening. I'm autistic, I can imagine a younger me making a similar error of judgment.

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That was three years back, I don't think there was an appeal.

QuintanaRoo · 09/05/2023 06:44

SBHon · 08/05/2023 22:56

…it doesn’t. The person is saying they think it should be obvious that they want to be referred to as ‘they/them’ because they’re essentially wearing a label that says ‘they/them’ (those specific earrings, similar to the ones Arcane linked).

I personally don’t think I’d notice what someone’s earrings said but that’s besides the point.

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Ah, well I didn’t notice the earrings spelt out a word and I watched the video and still hadn’t realised. Which just proves that certainly some people aren’t going to notice. Is he really so self absorbed he thinks people are noticing/caring about his earrings!

Lamped · 09/05/2023 06:51

I don't think the guy filming is an uninvolved bystander, I think he was with the woman as I'm sure just before the barista tries to grab his phone he says something like "apparently we've been transphobic".

Anyway, it's insane and regardless of what was said someone like that should not be working in retail. I hate the "most marginalised group in society" shtick - this person clearly does not feel marginalised and powerless!

Walrussy · 09/05/2023 06:55

Re. the earrings, even if someone noticed them, they wouldn't necessarily know that's what the wearer wishes to be seen as. My mum wears owl, hedgehog and puppy earrings. I'm sure she'd be fairly surprised if people started addressing her as one of these animals. Not everyone is terminally online enough to be aware of this crap.

Helleofabore · 09/05/2023 06:57

hotdiggetydog · 08/05/2023 22:13

One matter is me making a mistake and then there's you labelling a non binary person as an "it" or a "thing"

Your language is absolutely disgusting and your prejudices shine right through.

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You dismissed a woman being abused by a male!

You minimised it, in effect you dismissed it. It seems you will dismiss violence to support your political agenda.

You have no moral high ground at all. We all saw that steaming pile of misogyny.

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