Video of Starbucks employee in UK branch

[FisherthemsFriend]

https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1655477645184835586

It’s not clear what the customer said, it’s presumed she misgenders the employee as he calls her transphobic. He calls her Karen and then either grabs the phone or the person who’s filming.

So my takeaway from that is
Ladies, be nice.

Nah, fuck that shit

Given his (lack of) success record, that would be highly entertaining.

There was only one "entitled twat" in this scene...and it wasn't the customer.

Slight detail.
I’m pretty sure the NB shouting in this video is the charming individual at the centre of the case brought by Raquel Rosario Sanchez about Bristol university.

As you were.

Well, that's one way of characterising it. Another is that it's part of the drive to atomise society by setting different identities against each other. White women are the least dangerous group to black women - black men, white men, other black women are all responsible for far more violence towards them. So it's interesting that so much venom is directed at middle aged white women, and not the men who actually commit 98% of the violence against black women. Or the men who created the power structures that disadvantage black people.

I'm not condoning or denying racism; I'm just cynical about the motivations for the focus on the least threatening group, instead of the most threatening one.

I hate the appropriation of women's names to describe a type. My lovely DMIL was a Karen, and one of my best friends is a Wendy.

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow interesting, could you point me to a study or article which clarifies or elucidates further on this point below?

"White women are the least dangerous group to black women - black men, white men, other black women are all responsible for far more violence towards them."

Just curious to know where the data is from etc. thank you!

Gammon egg and chips also used to be such an inauspicious dish, lol

@WestwardHo1
"I have faced many older men behaving like entitled pricks though. Talking over me, talking down to me, mansplaining, being blatantly sexist. What male-specific insult should I call them?"

I mean, it sounds like you've already settled on 'entitled pricks'. And I have rarely if ever heard a woman called a 'prick'. So I'd say you've solved it by finding a male equivalent in 'entitled prick' and we can probably get back to Starbucks. (hopeful)

The pattern of the defense of these behaviours are depressingly familiar.

• Use name calling to identify the dehumanised group
• Violence is acceptable if it's against the dehumanised

A whole lot of dysfunctional thinking in defense of dysfunctional behaviours. If this is 'the right side of history' then count me on the wrong side, and I'll be there with the basically civilised who believe no matter how vile you may think someone is, you don't get to behave like an animal.

And what follows from that may well be Dan Wootton writing in the MailOnline, and interest from journalists elsewhere about the 'Starbucks culture'.

I worked in the service industry as a young woman, in a pub/restaurant that could be lively at times. I cannot remember a single incident of shitty behavour towards me from other women regardless of age.
Men? Sexual harrassment, moaning entitlement, crude comments, shit tedious jokes.... daily basis. For years.

I'd love to know where these places are full of awful middle-aged women. The Land of Never Happened?

I fully agree that some women labelled as “Karen” have behaved in a deeply unpleasant way. However it’s also an insult hurled at strong women who stand up for themselves in a perfectly decent manner. Or indeed sometimes hurled at women who may have made a genuine mistake.

There is no male equivalent. I’m sure someone may pop up and say oh there is, we call them Kevin’s. But we all know that’s not true on the same scale. If at all.

so it’s misogyny, a way of trying to shut some women up. A way of trying to gaslight them and others that the woman is the unreasonable, hysterical, out of control one when that’s not always the case.

If only it was sarcasm!
As I understand it misgendering somebody is a hate crime (am I correct?) if that's what this women did and I complaint was made about her, I have little doubt the police would investigate her. The trans woman would be seen as the victim in this. I wish I was wrong.

Misgendering's not a crime, hate or otherwise.

He sounds like a man, he looks like a man wearing make up………Adam’s Apple. Men can wear make up. How very judgemental it would be to assume he’s a woman. 🤷‍♀️. If he’s that upset about it he needs a big pronoun badge.

This is one good source.

Black people in the US are significantly more likely to be victims of violent crime than white people, but they are also more likely to be perpetrators.

NB this is unsurprising because, in any society, the most financially and socially deprived strata of society commit the most crime, regardless of race.

I am absolutely not saying that black people are generally more likely to be violent than other races: the US situation is an artefact of the social deprivation that black people experience there. I am just calling attention to the fact that society choses to direct its ire at the least violent, least criminal group of people: middle aged/older white women.

We don’t have to call them by their pro nouns. You have all the right to refuse. We do not have to share in their fantasy.

Well the employee has been fired as per a news article. Rightfully so

Rachel the thinker popped in for a coffee today, check out her twitter post:

twitter.com/WinterSling/status/1655588411590287363?t=w-ToUTdZ9teRfcEFiV1xNQ&s=19

Legend!

Yes - almost every nasty insult relates to females. And the very worst of them relate to female anatomy.

Two women having a misunderstanding

I only see , and hear, one woman. The other is most definitely a male, aka man.

You'd have to have actual shit for brains to believe this utter crap

It's a gendered slur aimed at women.

Even in this one example there is absolutely no evidence that the woman behaved badly. Yet look at the behaviour of the server and your reaction that it must be her fault.

Karen is an extension of female socialisation, nothing more nothing less. It's keeping the boot of misogyny firmly on women's necks. It's aimed at middle aged women not just because they are of less value to society as their perceived attractiveness diminishes but also because that is when a lot of women start finding the strength to stand up to patriarchal bullshit.

You are a misogynist Miajk. You display hateful tendencies towards women. You've already labelled contempt onto the victim in this clip.

I wonder if you excuse racial slurs so freely.

Or even a basis in fact.

That's funny because actually it stems from the imbalance of power of an older woman who is a paying customer Vs a young employee.

Thank you so much for your insight @Miajk , but this particular imbalance of power is a that of a small, elderly, vulnerable female vs a large, young, aggressive male, as anyone with half an eye and even a single functioning "little grey cell" can see,