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Time to dust off your Labour Party membership and support LWD

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Forwarder · 05/05/2023 09:35

The only mainstream party that currently acknowledges biological reality took a bit of a pounding yesterday (results so far). Spoiled ballot papers ain't going to cut it. From these results we might get a Labour Libdem coalition next time, if not outright Labour majority.

Either way, that means full steam ahead for Self ID.

If you are still a member of the Labour Party, Labour Women's Declaration is trying to get GC candidates on the National Women's Committee and push back at the MRAs who run the party. The nominations go in this month and next. LWD running an advice session soon.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65475817

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Local election 2023: Prof Sir John Curtice on the results so far

Is Labour on course, as polls suggest, for a potential general election victory next year?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65475817

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MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 09/05/2023 18:12

IwantToRetire · 09/05/2023 17:59

Juries currently convict 75% of men put on trial for rape

The "improved" conviction rates is because the CPS has consistently refused to allow cases to go to court unless it has a high chance of winning. And that is because prior to them taking this more stringent line, it was because of the number of rape cases that failed. Without context stats are meaningless.

Why do you think women have been campaigning and now the Scottish legal system is going to trial a period of Judge only rape cases. Becaue juries are less likely to convict particularly if it is her word against his.

So what, exactly, is your argument?

Again your conjecture that I am putting forward an "arguement". I am saying you are being niave and relying of the echo chamber of mumsnet to imagine that self id vs women's sex based rights is a number one issue..

Whether you or I like it or not, voters do not care or think this is a GE issue.

There would be a way of finding out, if in the run up to the next election you and some other women local to you, did some door stepping to tell local voters that you think this is a priority issue.

I think most people wouldn't even know what you are talking about, and even if they did would not think it a priority, and ask why cant people just be more "kind".

The rate of reported rapes that end in conviction is disgracefully low. However there is no evidence that this is due to jury behaviour.

Have you read the link to the comprehensive study of 15 years of rape trials that I posted? Throughout that 15 year period, the conviction rate for rape has been significantly higher than for other serious violent crimes. So what do you mean by juries being less likely to convict? Juries in rape trial are more likely to convict.

Juries are convenient scapegoat for failings of the police and judicial systems.

IwantToRetire · 09/05/2023 18:49

You keep missing the point. You just endlessly repeat your one arguement based on one report and choose not to look at others.

And are effectively derailing this thread.

But now you have another one, where you can endlessly repeat one report and arrogantly ignore women who provide support to women who have suffered rape, including their attempt to get to court.

Pluvia · 09/05/2023 19:03

I know a couple of women who live in marginal seats where Labour might have a hope of winning. They are wondering about standing as Independent Women or some such name. They can afford to put up the cash to stand and their plan would be to attend all the hustings and get their ten minutes to stand up, point out the way that Labour has betrayed women and offer themselves as an independent, pro-women alternative. They'll argue that spoiled votes don't really make a point, but voting for a pro-women candidate would. Obviously don't expect to win, but hope that standing up and speaking out will at least mean Labour doesn't go unchallenged.

Floisme · 09/05/2023 19:20

Pluvia · 09/05/2023 19:03

I know a couple of women who live in marginal seats where Labour might have a hope of winning. They are wondering about standing as Independent Women or some such name. They can afford to put up the cash to stand and their plan would be to attend all the hustings and get their ten minutes to stand up, point out the way that Labour has betrayed women and offer themselves as an independent, pro-women alternative. They'll argue that spoiled votes don't really make a point, but voting for a pro-women candidate would. Obviously don't expect to win, but hope that standing up and speaking out will at least mean Labour doesn't go unchallenged.

I think that would be a great idea, especially if they're close run seats where Labour might win. It's also an example of the kind of thing those of us outside of the party can support, whereas I assume LWD and other members would have to distance themselves.

My only doubt is (as I've probably already said) that I think Starmer needs to be made to talk about this now, and that the election campaign will be very late in the day for making an impact.

cariadlet · 09/05/2023 20:27

@bdbd67thSaysReinstateLangCleg

Thanks so much for supporting the 3 crowdfunders. You're right, this is an expensive fight. So many good GC causes.

If they win, it's more protection for the rights and freedoms of the rest of us - just like Maya's judgement helps us.

Chersfrozenface · 09/05/2023 21:01

Not sure I'd be very welcome in the Labour Party round my neck of the woods.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4802771-mark-drakeford-first-minister-wales-womens-concerns-a-shrill-dogwhistle

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