Time to dust off your Labour Party membership and support LWD

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The only mainstream party that currently acknowledges biological reality took a bit of a pounding yesterday (results so far). Spoiled ballot papers ain't going to cut it. From these results we might get a Labour Libdem coalition next time, if not outright Labour majority.

Either way, that means full steam ahead for Self ID.

If you are still a member of the Labour Party, Labour Women's Declaration is trying to get GC candidates on the National Women's Committee and push back at the MRAs who run the party. The nominations go in this month and next. LWD running an advice session soon.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65475817

I think it’ll be hard to change it back

All the proper routes to scripting go with it. Look at NZ and what happens when women want to speak up

Language goes - women and mother targeted

All so depressing

Scrutiny…

I think we need to wait until Labour publish their next manifesto, but I'd be very surprised if it has a commitment to gender self-id, given what happened with SNP+Greens.

Yes. A big majority of young people think self id is right. Hardly any young people vote Conservative. The Tories are going to lose (though Labour majority is less certain, but a coalition wouldn't change the outcome on seif id). This issue is lost.

I hope for policy backups that sort out the issues nested inside the shell of the law. I think at the moment that's the best achievable outcome. To do that, we need to be in the room.

Young people have had the benefit of being taught this at school because a small group of males have managed to push it into institutions

Are people on here really for the erasure of words such as mother and woman or divorcing them from biological reality?

I think it’s likely over but my god it’s sad.

No. I'm not for it. God. But I watch what the Tories have done to this country for 13 years and I cannot watch it any more. Destroying SureStart from sheer spite said how it would be from the start. Their corrupt, disgusting cheapening of this country, the economy, the culture. All they care about is themselves and their party connections.

Tbh in terms of caring about themselves I don’t see much in it

Labour will say anything to win, whether it’s on Brexit or this issue

All parties look for their own survival first

Looking for perfect? Not going to happen. Best outcome. Least bad outcome, perhaps.

Not perfection just not erasure of biological truth

Do lablut though? They are a party for me who are happy to abolish women's protections. Can that really be said to be a party with a concept of the collective?

Sorry, I didn't mean you personally Permanent, I just meant it generally. Can people join multiple political parties at the same time?

Labour are not going to reopen Sure Start centres.

All they say on this is that by 2030 they can (not will)

• Give all families access to high quality, affordable childcare
• Revitalise children’s and youth services

It's all a bit woolly and vague, no mention of how they intend even trying to acievd the above.

The Tories have already abolished women's rights. In spectacular fashion and on multiple levels. All the parties have got this wrong but the Conservatives are the ones who put it into policy and practice.

I agree that changing parties from the inside is the way forward.

People can try and great if you do it

But I doubt it will work. Labour have been pretty awful with established MPs who object

Dinosaurs - that’s their thinking

If labour get elected I don't think there will be any way to change their misogyny, of which they are proud. Conservatives are awful but when we lose a meaningful definition of woman, then we're truly fucked. I think it's a case of lesser of two evils and let's be honest, they are now both evil. It depends on what you think is the best option long term tbh. Clearly in the short term, women will continue to suffer under either party.

That isn’t correct. Most younger people support people being able to live as a gender identity different from their bio sex, but support for legal self-ID is much more equivocal, even in Scotland, which is more Left-leaning than the U.K. as a whole. Analysis here

In every poll, there is majority support for trans not to be victimised, to reflect any gender they please. We're a tolerant and easy going peoples.

However on the topics of trans expecting the law to accept they've actually changed sex, thus men accessing women's sports, sex segregated safe spaces, support plummets like a stone.

Indeed, 100% of that small number of people who say they fully approve of men being able to access women's spaces seem to reside in leftist parties in the UK.

That's why it's impossible for trans to be anything other than a luxury belief and beyond a minor concern for the population at large. Hardly anyone believes that transition is possible, and trans rights to most people is not understood as men claiming they can transition.

It remains only a burning topic for TRAs in leftist parties pushing their policy narratives, and GCs on our side who are taking it upon ourselves to mount the resistance.

That's why I fear this battle is lost with Labour, the best we can hope for is a healthy majority for Starmer, so he's in a position of strength to face down his progessive activists.

In a Hung parliament or minority Labour govt, he'll have almost no power to resist pressures from his activists and the evangelists in the LDs, Greens and SNP.

You think the TRAs on the right aren't pushing their policy narrative Reality? Penny Mordaunt is playing a blinder and Jamie Wallis is growing his hair.

Yep, Theresa May also fancies another crack at things. How about Crispin Blunt?

How is she playing a blinder? Prancing around with a sword at the Coronation means nothing. She lost the Tory leadership race, from a strong start, because she thinks men can become women.

Yes she recognised it’s what cost her.

Nrtft but this is a really important topic. Agree GC women need to engage as much as possible with elected and aspiring political parties over the next 12 months. And raise the profile of this issue directly with the voting public, via social media and print/broadcast comment and also by creating media opportunities to talk about it (thank you KJK).
And we won’t have the full picture of the local election results until next week.

Whatever the final picture in these locals, we can safely assume that there will be no strong Tory majority at GE next time. Even if they do somehow manage to snatch GE victory from the jaws of defeat.

So we need to be speaking to all parties including the Tories. The current Sunak administration must be so happy and relieved that the coronation has come along to wipe the Tories’ losses at local level off the news agenda. Which is annoying because moments of weakness like these are really helpful leverage to try to demand clarity on key issues.

Eg When are the Tories going to reform the EqA and in what way will they reform it? Will they commit to review of GRA (with a view to repeal) to take place after the EqA has been appropriately reformed to distinguish clearly between sex and gender? What more needs to be done for schools? Free speech at work and place of study etc? Hospitals? Prisons?

Absolutely start with the Tories. I hope Conservatives for Women will be holding the government's feet to the fire until they clarify the Equality Act, and I agree with Needmoresleep that there are sound strategic reasons for Sunak to get it done this year. If I were Sunak, I'd be looking for some quick wins to chip away at Starmer before he (Starmer) starts to acquire that prime minister in waiting aura, and I can't think of a better than this one for making Starmer look shifty, foolish and not in control of his party.

As for Starmer, I think it's about pushing both from the inside and the outside. He's clearly desperate not to talk about the issue - are LWD going to be the ones to force it? I can't see it because, while I think they've made some impressive progress, they're hidebound at the end of the day by parties rules and party loyalties. But that's something people outside the party can do.

Is Gender Ideology a good phrase to use in conversation with Labour members? I don't want to use the word trans at all, as that gets shut down as anti transphobic.

Is Gender Ideology sufficiently neutral? Or is there a better phrase for what is being discussed?

I usually avoid using terms like "ideology", at least to begin with, and instead focus on some specific harms of gender self-id laws that we've already seen happen in other jurisdictions that introduced it.

I've found it takes a bit longer for people to see the big picture and the underlying patterns, they usually need to have some doubt introduced first to the idea that this is progress.