Time to dust off your Labour Party membership and support LWD

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The only mainstream party that currently acknowledges biological reality took a bit of a pounding yesterday (results so far). Spoiled ballot papers ain't going to cut it. From these results we might get a Labour Libdem coalition next time, if not outright Labour majority.

Either way, that means full steam ahead for Self ID.

If you are still a member of the Labour Party, Labour Women's Declaration is trying to get GC candidates on the National Women's Committee and push back at the MRAs who run the party. The nominations go in this month and next. LWD running an advice session soon.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65475817

Tbh I'm more nervous of the LDs getting in on the act via a hung parliament as I think they are even further down the rabbit hole than Lab are.

I think that's why the SNP were pushing so hard for gender self-id, because the Greens had them over a barrel with the cooperation deal. We might see the same if Labour only have a wafer-thin majority so that their trans activist faction ends up with too much influence over votes.

Agreed that will be a huge relief to be rid of the Tories. They've been awfully harmful over the past 13 years, and austerity especially was much harsher on women. The gender self-id policies that enabled the likes of Karen White were their doing.

Yes! We've been told we " are wsting our time".

Wasting our time

She's also on the Women and Equalities Committee

I dread the Labour party getting in.......to be honest; and yes, the Lib-Dems are worse - quite weird, in fact.

The Labour party won't be able to deliver all the things that are now expected of them.

Those Self Id policies were due to the general unexamined consensus - one that the Labour party still supports.

You do remember that the government that had austerity as its central fiscal plank was the Conservative/Liberal Democrat coalition of 2010 to 2015? That would be the government that had Ed Davey in its cabinet.

You do remember that the government that had austerity as its central fiscal plank was the Conservative/Liberal Democrat coalition of 2010 to 2015? That would be the government that had Ed Davey in its cabinet.

Yes I would never vote for those Tory enablers either, even if they weren't all-in on the gender nonsense.

I had a quick look at the 2018 local election results (under Corbyn) and Labour have the same vote share as in that election, the difference is that the Tories have a much lower vote share and the LDs / others increased their vote share.

Yes the Tories have done badly but I'm unconvinced it provides any kind of prediction of the general election results - it hasn't in the past.

Tories are saying come the election the idea that there will be a Labour SNP coaltion will be so frightening that people want vote Labour!

I doubt Labour would enter a pact with the SNP but if they had enough seats to make a good majoirty maybe they would, otherwise they might have to have a coalition with both LibDems and Greens.

As a lifelong lefty it breaks my heart that i can't vote Labour anymore. And as much as I loathe the Tories, I WILL NOT vote for a party that doesn't have the courage to say what a woman is, calls us dinosaurs, says we can't say only women have a cervix, bullies Rosie Duffield for telling the truth etc. Bunch of lying, self serving traitors. I hate them even more than the Tories now. So no, I will NOT lift a sodding finger to help them, why the hell should i?

I have no idea who will come next, but the Tories are out at the next GE. Sunak needs to safeguard women's rights now!

I hope you’re right as I’m thinking in five to ten years a party that thinks we’re dinosaurs - and no one cares at this attack - could easily see us without language to describe who we are, no places where we can be just with our sex and if we’re really lucky shutting down biological reality discussion on places like mn.

No one will care. If possible I feel even more depressed about this today and feel for my dd. She’ll inherit this and we didn’t stop it.

Just read a piece about Labour being unlikely to get a majority, and so becoming hostage to the demands of the hard left and Lib Dems.

Granted it was in the Torygraph, so an agenda a mile wide, but it scared the shit out of me.

Really insightful point, and explains a lot about, eg, Crispin Blunt and Michael Cashman.

I'm honestly terrified at the thought of Labour getting in. If they are capable of mouthing absurdities, what the hell else are they capable of?

Thinking back to Blair getting in and remembering how that ended up going ... fervently righteous people are the most worrying kind of people.

I disagree. All that has happened in the last few months is that Starmer has woken up to the political risks of openly embracing self ID before the GE. There is no evidence at all that he has actually changed his mind on the issue, and we know that much of his front bench is pro self ID. Add in the possibility of a coalition with the LibDems and Greens, and self ID seems inevitable - they will just try to fudge it slightly, to reduce public backlash.

It was male union leaders who absolutely pushed women out of the workplace post WWII and back into the kitchen to make way for the male ‘breadwinners’ returning from war.

I suspect he looked at the evidence in his usual forensic manner and concluded the same as anyone else who does so

It’d have been more reassuring to have seen that forensic ability in action before Sturgeon took a tumble by allowing a double rapist into a female prison estate. Now anything he says seems political expediency. Unconvincing.

And to add that it’s shocking and oh so depressing to think that it wasn’t so long ago that I’d have been thrilled by a newspaper headline saying ‘Tories down and Lab, LD and Greens up’. Now it’s just worrying.

Yes and which the Tories are backing away from at speed. Why do people keep ignoring this?

@IwantToRetire do you have a link to the data on turnout? Nothing on BBC as far as I can tell.

Yes it now looks more like an anti Tory vote than a pro Labour one.

I want to want a Labour govt. I don't want to live in a one party state. But seeing the state of the US Democrats and conditions there alarms me.

It would be interesting to do polling on Green/Libdem/Labour voters on 1. Whether they even realise what their preferred party supports 2. Whether they personally are in favour of self ID.

I believe that SNP voters have been polled like that and higher than average support for Self ID. But still not majority support. Also given the ardour of some SNP voters it may be that they would support anything oor Nicola came up with. Other parties/leaders don't command same sort of loyalty as Sturgeon.

Because they want Labour to win at any cost

To think a tiny group of males have brought this about. Managed to get in schools

Overtaken institutions

And people will wave it all in. Biology denying and threatening anyone who knows reality

It may as well be flat Earth men doing the same

Yes that is it - I also want to want a Labour govt and to be able to happily vote for them but I am so very afraid of them getting in especially if they get held hostage by the hard left/lib dems/greens all of whom seem to actually hate women.
I am not feeling hopeful at all, I am feeling profoundly sad.

Yes I completely agree. Appalling.

I feel the same

Really very down about it.