The Stand Comedy Club statement on cancelling Jo Cherry

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twitter.com/StandComedyClub/status/1653017007921545221?s=20

I think with all the talk of adequate safety and training to handle disorder, Suggestions is perhaps hinting the Tra bovverboys will kick off if Joanna Cherry is allowed to speak. Welcome to democratic Scotland where might is right.

You think there is a cost to employing non-bigoted staff? And employee staff that are not prejudiced is some sort of ‘reasonable adjustment’?

Well of course, but I'm making a parallel to see if unreasonably increased expenditure is potentially relevant in other scenarios.

The increased cost is to do with the fact that it is not simply a case of hiring a few 18 year olds on £11 an hour for the night...I've already outlined in my posts why that would not be sufficient if things went wrong and they were sued on the grounds on inadequate health and safety.

Health and safety usually takes legal precedence over other concerns, does it not?

So who are you worried about being violent?

Surely not the lesbian KC ?

So who is it?

And why should the lesbian be deplatformed because some men don't like it? Why do you think equality laws should allow her to be deplatformed because some men might behave badly?

But they wouldn't be 'hiring a few 18 year olds on £11 per hour for the night'. They are currently advertising for posts which will run between the end of July and the beginning of September and their own advert states that they are expecting high levels of interest so they'll be able to take their pick from all the experienced FOH who come from all around the country for the Festival.

Having had a wee read of the reasonable adjustments allowances in the EQA2010, it seems to have been brought over from previous legislation (namely the DDA) and relates specifically to adjustments required for that purpose. So it wouldn't be relevant to a venue claiming that it's patrons will be unsafe because their long term staff have refused to work an event because of their discrimatory views against protected characteristics and the management not trusting their own vetting and training of staff (for whom they have advertised) to be sufficient.

It's quite funny to see the straws being clutched. If a venue doesn't feel confident that it can keep performers and patrons safe it would have to close permanently. Their H&S policies can't be dependent on their staff announcing their bigotry in advance or on bullying misogynists announcing their intention to try to disrupt events.
@suggestionsplease1 your every excuse is making this worse for The Stand. You might want to quit. You don't want to inadvertently reveal that staff at the Stand only adhere to H&S when it suits them and that the management are happy to leave H&S compliance to the whims of people who have self-identified as temperamental and unreliable.

IW on BBC Scotland with John Beattie Drivetime discussing this. John very reasonable and coherent. Willoughby sounding like an absolute loon talking about America, KKK and Nazis.

Starts at around 1hr 5mins

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001lj3j

It's quite funny to see the straws being clutched.

It really is.

"Please let them carry on being bigoted, or they'll leave".

Not the most persuasive argument!

And If the venue refuses to employ non discriminatory staff, it needs to be shut down.

And if it claims H&S will be compromised, it needs to be shut down.

And maybe ask people like @suggestionsplease1 to stop 'helping' them.

Why, yes. Yes, it is.

'The venue was co-founded by Tommy Sheppard, who is now an SNP MP and remains a director of parent company Salt N Sauce Productions, although he no longer takes part in the day-to-today running of the venue'

https://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2023/05/02/53050/comedy_club_cancels_trans_row_mps_appearance

I thought in Edinburgh they favoured gravy over sauce. Funny, that.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/SC174688/filing-history

Ah, it's Salt n Sauce Promotions, rather than Productions. Mistype on my part.

I was interested to find out how the £250,000 was allocated - this seems to have been decided by Creative Scotland, whose board is 'accountable to and appointed by the Scottish Government'.

Apropos of nothing, Shauneyboy has a video about Creative Scotland -

Given that there are a group of trans people that want lesbians to sleep with men, her sexuality has quite a bit to do with it.

I used to work at a theatre. Me, and the rest of the staff, had no say whatsoever on who was going to appear, which meant I worked shifts for shows that I would never in a month of Sundays have paid to go and watch.

But when you are selling programmes, taking tickets and showing people to their seats what the show is about is irrelevant. Even when I was scheduled as one of the staff who would at times be inside the auditorium for bits of the show I still had too do my job whether I agreed with the entertainment on over that day or not.

A lot of shows I actually bought tickets for. Some of those shows as an audience member I got up and walked out. Those same shows despite me being so against what was on stage that as a loathing audience member I had walked out of I still had to stand inside the auditorium when it was my shift to work.

That's life. You go to work you do your job you go home.

Freudian slip there ...as a paying, not loathing, audience member!

Gawd. India really doesn't help the cause.

I hope Beattie realised that the reason it sounds like Russian and Japanese is because you'll never get india in the same studio as Joanna Cherry, on the grounds that people will suddenly understand what India is saying.

Slightly off topic but Beetle, you've just reminded me of the song 'The Usherette Blues' -

As an usher, you really don't get the choice - I think I saw the first half of Caucasian Chalk Circle 16 times and the 2nd half twice. I could have recited it myself by the end.

I work in a theatre. If I told my boss I wouldn't work a show as I disagreed with the content he would give me the night off (unpaid).
If I told him to cancel a show as I didn't like the content he would - rightly - tell me to find a new job.

I find it hard to believe quite how arrogant these people are.

Some of the things that Willoughby says about Joanna Cherry are wrong (eg saying Cherry wants to get rid of Equality Act protections) and some sound positively libellous (claiming that Cherry wants to eliminate trans people).

Thank you I'd not come across that before. But tis so true!

The way IW goes on about people wanting to eliminate trans people is so fucking disingenuous. IW is going to end up with massive legal fees to pay at some point.

I am sure it was entirely coincidental that a SNP government run group chose an organisation belonging to an SNP MSP as one of the few to get full funding.

Is anyone else imagining the Stand ninja team in Liam Neeson mode... I for one cannot wait for the incoming reality show where celebs take on the challenge of being a Stand member of staff - it will show that SAS: Who Dares Wins to be childs play....

Love shauny. Always nails it