"Lesbians being anti-trans is a lesbophobic trope"

[MerlinsLostMarbles]

https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/originals/lesbians-are-not-anti-trans/

I think this helps give another viewpoint to the "gay people are anti-trans" trope that is often used by the LGB-Alliance and Julie Bindel etc.

Lesbians often have to put up with harmful stereotypes that may deter them from coming out, and in recent years the "lesbians are anti-trans" is another stereotype on top of the existing ones.

I believed transwomen were all a kind of gay men, and therefore transwomen in a bar / dating app etc. would be interested in dating other transwomen or gay men. I was wrong, and I accept I was wrong but it is a common misconception. I believed this until I met one who wasn't in person, up until then I was completely comfortable with transwomen in gay clubs etc.

I was called transphobic for not wanting to have sex with a transwoman who had retained their penis.

Just for those who say I never happens.

On Tinder. About 4/5 years ago (I'm partnered up now, with a heterosexual man)

I'm not a lesbian but I don't think that particularly matters in this example.

yes but weirdly she had also decided I was 'the man' and she was 'the lady' on the date I didn't know we were having. It was awkward for both of us.

Sexual racists! I've heard it all now. And will straight men ever be labelled sexual racists for not sleeping with gay men? No they won't be.

Using the prefix 'cis' is deeply offensive to me and to many gc women, @aseriesofstillimages. I am an adult, human female - we are the default, the original - and I do not accept being defined as belonging to a subset of womanhood.

Oh and I just thought of another one, she married a woman before transition and they got divorced but kept the relationship going eventually moving back in together. The TW's wife would eyeroll when called a Lesbian but eventually stopped disagreeing.

But that coupled with a constant barrage of negative media headlines, politicians being interrogated on their definitions of what makes a woman (why are we even asking men to define women anyway?

We are asking politicians who are proposing law and policy based on TWAW. Given that, it is entirely reasonable to ask them 'what a woman is' being as they want to include men who identify as women into the women category in all instances.

She's doing anecdata on behalf of the Queerios. I know scores of women who don't believe TWAW and don't want men anywhere near them. Depends who you ask, but how interesting the ones accepting dick are the ones getting society's approval.

@MerlinsLostMarbles

There have been a number of cases recently in which members of the public have libeled people online and lost a lot of money.

I would strongly recommend you ask for this thread to be withdrawn, or at least amend your first paragraph.

thank you I believe that was a super helpful contribution

@howdoesatoastermaketoast That will teach me to be specific when I ask a question. By lesbian I meant female and lesbian. You have given two examples of transwomen and a wife coerced into accepting the label of lesbian.

Let’s see what the Human League have to say about this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3HVw0pSdvyQ

Not the actual Human League, in case their lawyers are reading!

Let's try and clear something up......I'm a lesbian, i'm an adult human female that is attracted only to adult human females.
There are no other types of lesbians, no man pretending to be a woman or trans woman can be a lesbian no matter how much they scream and stamp their feet like a 2 year old.

This nonsense needs to be put to bed.

I feel sorry for genuine trans people who are just living their life quietly and without drama.

Most lesbians do not want to have sex with men. But it's the straight women largely who are anti trans.

Oh quite ISWYM, nope not at all. In fact the new cool ones seem to be fleeing the word like the house is on fire

You see it's totally ok to be the kind of afab transman that only wants to sleep with afab transman, afab enbies and cis lesbians. AND THAT'S WHY (imho) most of the other young lesbians are so ok with 'trans people' who the hell else are they gonna sleep with...

Course there is still something of a pattern in who they're into to

#party with the kids who wanna party with you

This

I think the phrase ‘anti-trans’ is ridiculous.

Not including trans women within the category of lesbian is not anti-trans.
Not wanting to have sex with biological males however they’d like you to perceive them, is not anti-trans.
Wanting to compete in a female sex category in a sporting competition is not anti-trans.
Not viewing trans women as female is not anti trans.
thinking that prisons, hospital wards and changing rooms should be single sex is not anti-trans.

The term anti-trans is used to demonise and distract.

Do you mean "anti trans", or do you mean "want to be recognised as distinct from male people and deserving of their own political voice to tell their own story and campaign for their own social and political needs" - or do you see those two things as the same?

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I'm a lesbian, came out when I was about 16, and have only dated women.

I'd have no problem with dating a trans woman at all, and I have done in the past. There's no science to 'same sex attraction', because there's so many variations to the human body. Granted the woman I dated was post-op for everything and I may not be compatible with the opposite, but it's ridiculous to say 'no lesbian would date a trans woman' because I'm living proof that's not the case. Some lesbians may be cool with dating trans women with penises, and that's nobodies business but theirs because attraction is complicated.

I've been on dating apps for years and I've never once felt forced to 'like penis', and neither have any of my friends. A few tik toks and a tweet here cannot be used as evidence of a 'growing trend'.

If I see a trans woman on a dating app who I'm not attracted to, I swipe left. It's as simple as that. Dating apps these days are curated so no one has to speak to anyone they don't want to.

NB: When I say 'there's no science to same sex attraction', I don't mean that it's not scientifically proven, I mean that I'm attracted to Valentina Sampaio and my brain doesn't look at her and only see chromosomes.

So I agree with the article. It sums up how I feel.

ridiculous to say 'no lesbian would date a trans woman' because I'm living proof that's not the case

You're not living proof of that at all. If you are happy to date transwomen, then you would be bisexual. Not a lesbian.