"Lesbians being anti-trans is a lesbophobic trope"

[MerlinsLostMarbles]

https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/originals/lesbians-are-not-anti-trans/

I think this helps give another viewpoint to the "gay people are anti-trans" trope that is often used by the LGB-Alliance and Julie Bindel etc.

Lesbians often have to put up with harmful stereotypes that may deter them from coming out, and in recent years the "lesbians are anti-trans" is another stereotype on top of the existing ones.

Lost marbles, indeed.

Depends on what you mean by anti trans. Pretty sure most lesbians don't want to sleep with transwomen (what with them being biologically male, or be told they are transphobic for being same sex attracted, so there's that.

It isn't anti trans to not fancy peen.

What a mess.

All the lesbians I know are pro women and anti having sex with men - no matter how they dress.

Lost marbles indeed 😂

Oh. You again.

Strangely the lesbians i know don’t want to sleep with men, don’t think men should be calling themselves lesbians and don’t care about whether society as a whole finds them to be ‘attractive’. I’ve never seen an article in Gay Times or elsewhere about gay men worrying about whether they are generally attractive. I wonder why there would be that difference?!

That isn't what the article's about.

Totally depends what you mean by the words "lesbian" "anti-trans" "transphobic"

Lesbian - does the word mean "a person with a female body, exclusively attracted to other people with female bodies" or "a person with a feminine gender identity, attracted to other people with feminine gender identities regardless of body type"

"Anti-trans/transphobic" - does it mean "hating someone, denying their validity as a person, wanting to deny them basic human rights" or does it mean "not wanting to participate in someone else's fantasy, and not being attracted to a body type that isn't included in ones own understanding of one's own sexuality"

If you don't define your terms, any article like this is meaningless.

Here you are marbles - enjoy:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4796370-stunning-and-brave-republican-comes-out-as-a-woman-of-colour

'Lesbians being anti-trans is a lesbophobic trope'
So stop falsely labelling lesbians' rejection of men, however they identify, as anti-trans.

I think this helps give another viewpoint to the "gay people are anti-trans" trope that is often used by the LGB-Alliance and Julie Bindel etc.

I've never heard LGBA or JB use this 'trope'. Do you have any links?

Article in summary: NICE lesbians give sex to men and say it's lesbianism. Isn't that nice.

Bleuch.

This.

It's not feminist labelling lesbians anti trans

@CoozudBoyuPuak, noone is being called "anti trans" or "transphobic" for who they do or don't want to sleep with.

Right, so what this article is saying is that ‘our side has libeled GC lesbians as anti-trans, and now we are going to beat you with the anti-trans slur that we have smeared you with, to claim the label we gave you is putting lesbians off coming out as lesbian’

That’s some insanely nasty thinking there.

LGB do not call themselves anti trans as they are not. You slur them with that.

I disagree.

I recall Nancy Kelly calling lesbians who reject males as partners 'sexual racists.'

I think the term Nancy Kelley used for lesbians not wanted to have sex with men was sexual racist

A colleague of mine who’s a lesbian wrote a really interesting blog for Lesbian Visibility Week about how misleading this idea is that all/ the majority of lesbians don’t want trans women in their spaces and object to them identifying as lesbians. She said all the lesbians she knows are welcoming of trans women in their community.

She did not use the term “sexual racist”. She said:

”If you find that when dating, you are writing off entire groups of people, like people of colour, fat people, disabled people or trans people, then it’s worth considering how societal prejudices may have shaped your attractions.”

Do you think it’s racist if, for example, a black person isn’t attracted to white people, or vice versa?

@aseriesofstillimages which is fine and great for her and her lesbian friends if they are happy with mixed sex environments. But consent from one group is not consent for all. There are clearly many lesbians who do not want male people in their spaces. They are not "anti" anything for wanting and expecting that, if that's their choice.

People are free to exclude whoever they want from their friendship groups.

I think this helps give another viewpoint to the "gay people are anti-trans" trope that is often used by the LGB-Alliance and Julie Bindel etc.

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Fact: LGB Alliance supports trans rights
We fully support trans people in their struggle, for dignity, respect and a life lived free from bigotry and fear. We believe that the issues and priorities for people who are attracted to the same sex (homosexual/bisexual) are different from those of transgender people, and so, with a number of organisations focused on trans people and trans issues, our focus is simply on lesbians, gay men, and bisexual people instead.

https://lgballiance.org.uk/facts/

The only people I've seen calling lesbians ''anti-trans'' are heterosexual blokes who think slapping on some lipstick means lesbians should suddenly desire their dick.

And lets not forget Nancy Kelley telling homosexuals to have a long, hard think about how ''societal prejudices have shaped your attractions''.

And who was it from Garden Court Chambers that said lesbians who won't sleep with men who identify as women is apartheid?

So if this lesbophobic trope is bothering you Marbles, pop over to a TRA forum and tell them to stop it then 🤷

Except they're not are they, in practical reality. There's no space that male people won't try to insert themselves into. Especially if it's clearly and publicly identified as lesbian and therefore female only.

Lesbians aren't anti trans. But the very definition of being a lesbian is same sex (female) attracted. Not same gender. That's not anti anything. It's a sexual preference. That's it.