"Lesbians being anti-trans is a lesbophobic trope"

[MerlinsLostMarbles]

https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/originals/lesbians-are-not-anti-trans/

I think this helps give another viewpoint to the "gay people are anti-trans" trope that is often used by the LGB-Alliance and Julie Bindel etc.

Lesbians often have to put up with harmful stereotypes that may deter them from coming out, and in recent years the "lesbians are anti-trans" is another stereotype on top of the existing ones.

Are you in the her marketing/SM team of something? Because if you are… this strategy is not very effective.

that young lesbians are making their own quiet groups, finding each other and sharing female only spaces.

It's so sad that lesbian spaces are having to go 'underground' to stop males from infiltrating them.

This is what gender ideology does. How any one thinks this is progressive is beyond me.

I refer you to the OP for evidence.

Logic and rationality is in short supply. And exceptionally interesting and rather crowbarred perspectives based on absolute inability to see anything from a service human's POV.

So a well known public figure, male, standing in line for the women's toilets (offense against women number 1, excluding some women while that male meets his wishes at the expense of their needs and inclusion)

adjusting self in a highly male and inappropriate way (which rather messes with the whole just a woman thing and makes it very clear a male sexed person is heading wilfully into a female only space - this particular male with a history of dominating and controlling the space by chasing female people down the street and shouting at them if they show alarm at said male's presence)

becomes: women cruelly stalking innocent trans people in order to mock them for going about their lives peacefully.

It's yet again the outraged "How dare you upset and limit my freedoms by complaining that my size 13 beetlecrushers are hurting your feet when I'm only peacefully jumping up and down on them to express myself."

"sexual orientation and gender are different parts of our identities. You can be trans and a lesbian"

Possibly, if that means you are female and identify as a man, and are attracted to females then yes you are a lesbian. Or that could be reduced a little bit to : female and are attracted to females. Which is the definition of lesbian.
Otherwise it's just made up gender woowoo bollocks.
If you've a female and you date dick you are either straight or bi, and if you call yourself a lesbian then you are probably "queer" which is about politics not sexuality now, and also probably have brightly coloured hair which means stay the fuck away from me I'm a toxic virute signalling narcissist.

I call BS on the story about the two so-called cis-men only being able to find each other when they looked for transwomen on HER. As if all the transwomen on HER are ever so good at passing that the two cis-men couldn't tell they were transwomen. Yeah, right. How very believable! It is clearly a constructed story.

IT IS NOT PHOBIC TO DECLINE TO SLEEP WITH SOMEONE YOU DO NOT FIND ATTRACTIVE!!! NO ONE OWES YOU SEX!

The article has one example?

This is the inclusive standard of the modern world.

Hahaha 🤣

I saw the tweet with the men on Her. Yes they did find each other plus several other men (I think there were at least 6 if not more). It was quite funny because one of the men got a number of likes. It was so obvious he was just a man (as we’re all the others) I’m not sure who was doing the liking.

I don’t know why TRAs are so caught up about ‘passing’ and whether we ‘can or can’t tell’. Mostly we can, especially in person as opposed to a photo that could have been heavily filtered. Sometimes, it’s true, we may not be able to tell.

But ultimately it doesn’t matter why here or not we can tell. It doesn’t matter if I’m fat and in my forties and less pretty than some transwomen. I’m a woman, they are not. I’ll always be a woman, they never will. A simulacrum, even the prettiest most perfect simulacrum in the world, can never be the real thing. No lesbian is ever going to want a simulacrum of a woman.

Well put.

The word is 'dirty' lesbians don't want men however they present. What is so hard to understand about this?

Anyone can be the world's leading expert in who they fancy, who fancies you back is out of your control.

The words people use to describe their sexual orientation cannot (reasonably) be redefined to include different people.

I've never seen any LGBT people say it is "phobic" for people to have preferences over who they wish to sleep with. The only people I've seen say this are Gender Criticals.

I see we are back to centreing men, on a thread about lesbians, no less.

OP has sealioned their own thread. Amazing.

You appear to have a knack for only seeing what you want to see.

Stonewall think otherwise as was made clear by Nancy Kelley when she likened lesbians who don't do dick to sexual racists.

But whatever, carry on with your man centring alternative reality.

"MerlinsLostMarbles · Today 17:03

I've never seen any LGBT people say it is "phobic" for people to have preferences over who they wish to sleep with. The only people I've seen say this are Gender Criticals."

I have never seen or heard a Gender Critical saying that. Transwomen on the other hand seem to have it as their mantra. So I stand by my accusation that you are being disingenuous.

Can we address the utterly dehumanisisng way this particular OP is using ‘GCs’ as a noun on this thread?

It’s not ok.

There is no such thing as ‘a gender critical’ It’s a description not a thing.

I am not a gender critical. I do hold many views that do not align with gender identity ideology. It’s not the same thing.

And it’s funny how it’s gender critical women who are to blame for this, and who are supposed to be sad about it and try to fix it, isn’t it? #Bekind, ladies! Make sure the penis-people aren’t upsetting the other penis-people! They’ll get hurty-feelz.

@MerlinsLostMarbles
I've never seen any LGBT people say it is "phobic" for people to have preferences over who they wish to sleep with. The only people I've seen say this are Gender Criticals.

Here let me help jog your memory.
The wonderful Magdalen Berns ( RIP, you were taken far too young Magdalen ) shredding Riley J Dennis' video saying it is "phobic" for people to have preferences over who they wish to sleep with.
Riley appears to have deleted the video Magdalen is criticizing because I can't find it. I wonder why?
I hope this helps with your memory issues?

Yes I remember the photo in the ladies of the famous girl mode comedian in the pink coat with his hand underneath it seemingly grasping his sausage.
Men need to use the men's room and respect women's boundaries.

Came here to name drop Nancy Kelly.

Absofeckinlutely! These men think if they look like a Barbie doll or a Thai ladyboy we lesbians will want them; NEVER.
Give me a real imperfect woman any day of the week. Additionally whilst men only want 20somethings, Lesbian culture adores middle-aged women. And Lesbians want partners of their own age.
The youth obsession is strictly male. All you have to do is look at male gay culture where being over 30=old man. So sad.

You mean the photo of Eddie Izzard scratching his balls outside the ladies' loo?