Caroline F - new arrest / harassment ?

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Caroline has just posted on twitter that the police were trying to force entry - WTF going on?

Three officers saying she has to go with them.

Three.

twitter.com/cf_farrow/status/1651514281471492096?s=46&t=rbPMHI1uvxUAiQC4E1EE3A

CF is a writer/author/media commentator and is(was?) involved with CitizenGo who are a conservative religious worldwide organisation that lobbies for policies that match their worldview and against those that don't. CF herself is Catholic and is married to a Catholic priest (which I think can happen if the man is already married before becoming a priest?). She holds views which are pretty much opposed to those that most feminists hold eg on abortion rights. She is opposed to gender ideology, presumably due to religious views alongside sex realism views, and was vocal on social media about that. That drew the attention of trans rights activists, and she has been harassed /doxxed/hassled for a period of several years now. This has on occasion included the police being used to visit her home, arrest her, arrange interviews etc about comments made online.

I disagree with CF on most topics, but I support her right not to be harassed for holding those views or talking about them on social media or other platforms.

ControversialOpening

Not so - you can vol interview for anything. You can vol interview for a murder

To arrest someone - you have to justify it and have a necessity for it

So, has something else happened in the interim that has made the arrest necessary?

Is the crime ongoing, has another crime occurred involving the same people? Has the situation escalated?

We just don't know

But the cops investigating it will know

Just on law of averages, the statistics recently admitted to by the police themselves, combined with a wealth of knowledge from women on here and other boards, real life, and actual experience, I can guarantee you cannot 100% know the intimate details of every single one of your colleagues to know that they are all good people.

I don't have to know you or the people you work with. I certainly can't point out to you which ones they are (although give me a few days at your station and I'll have a pretty good go at telling you which ones are probably not the saints you think they are).

The behaviour of people in general means that you and your colleagues will have bad apples amongst you. From someone who nicks the post it notes to someone who nearly killed his wife last week.

They will be there. They always are.

RoseslnTheHospital

You don't know its her views which are the focus of this investigation though?

Has there been something else that has been alleged?

What has the reporting person stated to the police?

What is the crime that has been alleged?

You just don't know - no one knows - except those involved with the investigation.

It is hardly new for police to ignore the harassment of women or allow themselves to used to harass women. Sadly we know women have been murdered by stalkers where when she complained to the police they have been arrested an pursued to wasting police time.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/teenager-fined-reporting-stalker-police-23775721

Boiledbeetle

Perhaps so - no one is a complete saint.

But no one has come to my attention as being another David Carrick or Wayne Couzens. No one i know of has domestic violence issues. No one i know wears rainbow lanyards or pin badges

If they do - and I here about it - I will flag it up

@Shelefttheweb the Shana Grice case was the one that made me truly realise the depths of the issue with the police. Sussex police were so unapologetic and absolutely tone deaf on social media about the case, and really underestimated (or didn't care) the effect it had on women in their police area.

Did anything come of the supercomplaint about stalking?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63745857

No one i know of has domestic violence issues.

That's the thing, these things are usually secret, until they aren't. What you mean is that no one you know has shown signs to you of having domestic violence issues.

There's a difference. And I'm afraid my lived experience and that of people i know personally through all walks of life means that I know that statistically there will be abusers in every work place. Abusive people carry out all jobs. You and your work colleagues are not magically special!

Shelefttheweb

There are some absolute horror stories where the police have got it very badly wrong. And if you have been effected by this, you have my upmost sympathies and respect. We should not be failing Shana like this and we should have properly safeguarded her. Her family have my total sympathy and I joined the job to protect people like her.

Those guilty of any mishandling should be dealt with.

But she was a victim who reported a crime and deserved to have that crime investigated properly. It wasn't handled properly and resulted in her losing her life.

So perhaps from the this, the police need to listen to a reporting person and investigate fully their crime or incident - and not just accuse the reporting person of wasting their time.

Hence perhaps why they visited Caroline in this instance.

Or - are you suggesting that we should have ignored the reporting person against Caroline this time and prosecuted them for wasting police time?

Boiledbeetle
Abusive people carry out all jobs. You and your work colleagues are not magically special!

I'm not saying were are - but I can not go into work and start accusing my colleagues of being domestic violence perpetrators without some sort of evidence to support that. I can't say that they are DV perpetrators just because they are in the police.

Shelefttheweb

Exactly - victims are being let down by the police

So the police should be listening to the victims and investigating the crimes they are reporting to us properly

As in this case - reporting person/victim has made an allegation against Caroline, so it gets investigated properly. Not swept under the carpet or told that "THERE WAS NO ANSWER AT THE DOOR SO THERE'S NOTHING ELSE WE CAN DO" "SHE DIDN'T TURN UP FOR HER INTERVIEW SO WE ARE JUST CLOSING THE CRIME DOWN"

So you will endorse the police action then that's happened here?

Police could be missing murders because they are still failing to investigate deaths properly, a watchdog has warned.

https://www.upday.com/uk/met-police-could-be-failing-to-spot-killers-a-decade-after-stephen-ports-crimes?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

I'm not responding to obtuse sealions.

DerekFaker

Exactly - so reported crimes and incidents should be investigated properly.

So you too would endorse the police investigating this crime against Caroline properly - for the sake of the victim/reporting person?

@RoseslnTheHospital Thank you. Sounds like I wouldn't agree with her on all points either but she has every right to state her perfectly legal opinion.

I'm not suggesting you do any of those things. I just have issue with your assertion that you and your work colleagues are all perfectly good people.

It's just that your black and white thinking of "I don't know they are abusers therefore none of them are" is actually, for someone in the police especially, the wrong way to assess the situation.

You from your point of view as a member of the police assume that the police have good reason to be interested in Caroline even though you've seen nothing yourself personally to back up that assertion.

Yet you refuse to apply the same logic to the people you work with, there you assume the fact that you haven't seen any evidence means nothing has happened.

With regards Caroline I'm not assuming she's 100% innocent, there will be things that we don't yet know that mean we have to relook at where our thoughts on this are.

However at this moment in time given the historical history of this women's issues coupled with other similar cases and nothing so far to show that this time is any different it is the most logical position to assume that once again she is being indirectly harassed by the abuser who is using the police to do the harassing.

Why is this pattern of harassment towards CF so obvious to everyone but the police?
Why is this latest incident to be seen as “we don’t know the allegation, maybe this time she’s really done something” when we all know full well that this is yet more harassment from the same fucking people?

No wonder confidence in police has gone downhill. Felix is part of the problem but too obtuse to see it, and too fond of his own voice and mega long breaks to reflect on how he is coming across.

In the days of burglaries and thefts not being investigated, because of, 'lack of available officers' and 'lack of time',I find it truly astounding that the response to a non violent,non dangerous person not turning up for an apparently voluntary interview,is not to make a quick phone call or email,asking if there is a valid reason for not attending,but to send 3 officers and and probably at least 2 cars to the person's address. Amazing!

Boiledbeetle

I'm not saying that - I can't accuse or indeed be suspicious of any of my colleagues without something there to raise my suspicion. There might be people close to you who are involved in all sorts of things - but you're not suddenly going to take a dislike to them unless you have something there to raise your suspicions.

From the investigation concerning Caroline - I agree the police have no reason to be interested in her from day to day - but, a victim/reporting person comes forward and makes an allegation or a crime against her. There may have loads of evidence to support that crime, there may be CCTV or other witnesses etc etc.

At that point, Caroline then will become of interest to the OIC who is dealing with it. The inquiry has to be investigated and we can't ignore victims (as seen from the posts above)

So i am applying the same logic for both. If there is evidence there to suggest a crime/offence has occurred, it should be investigated. If there is evidence to suggest one of my colleagues is doing something wrong I will call it out and should be investigated.

Feckedupbundle
We've been through this - 3 cops won't have been 'sent' - see previous pages

We also don't know what the alleged incident is here, so we can not judge the response by the cops.

burglaries that are not investigated to a point of charging someone - have all lines of enquiry been investigated? Most burglars are very savvy and forensically aware so getting a charge on them is often difficult.

Cherrywoo
when we all know full well that this is yet more harassment from the same fucking people?

Do you know that for certain?

Do you know that nothing else has happened?

Do you know what the allegation against Caroline is on this occasion?

Do we simply write this one off and prosecute the victim for wasting police time like we did with Shana?

Do you know that for certain?

I know that this is part of a long and obvious pattern of abuse against her. At what point do the police stop dancing to the tune of these abusers?

It’s not just CF. Women have been arrested/questioned for ridiculous reasons, when nowadays you can’t get a police presence for a burglary, or even a mugging (as happened to a friend - cctv evidence, nope, ignored by police). Like someone mentioned above, the Laughing Auditor on YouTube filmed how he was treated, the police did nothing - we’re meant to respect that? Think on!

In the case of CF the police are being used as a tool of harassment, and they are not (capable of?) joining the dots up. Or they’re happy to be a part of this harassment.

You don’t have one person supporting you here. Have a think about why that is.

Cherrywoo

If you're happy for us to join the dots up - like we did with Shana and reported her for wasting police time. - But yet, that didn't work did it!

People here are posting that we are not listening to victims of crime or investigating their inquiries.

So do we ignore the reporting person against Caroline (baring in mind none of us here know what it is that has been alleged) and hope for the best?

Or should we investigate it properly?

Why are you so keen to speculate on CF putting windows through when the police were the ones turning up to ‘put doors through?’

Why are we only allowed to make assumptions that CF is in the wrong, vs the police, when we can’t go a day without seeing reports of horrendous police behaviour from multiple sources?