Caroline F - new arrest / harassment ?

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Caroline has just posted on twitter that the police were trying to force entry - WTF going on?

Three officers saying she has to go with them.

Three.

twitter.com/cf_farrow/status/1651514281471492096?s=46&t=rbPMHI1uvxUAiQC4E1EE3A

Or should we investigate it properly?

I’d love it if the police had time to investigate crime properly. You know as well as I do that they have to prioritise and often do not attend for actual known physical crimes such as break-ins.

At least we know what happens if you don’t attend a ‘voluntary interview.’

I'm not saying that - I can't accuse or indeed be suspicious of any of my colleagues without something there to raise my suspicion. There might be people close to you who are involved in all sorts of things - but you're not suddenly going to take a dislike to them unless you have something there to raise your suspicions.

You are wrong. You don't know my history. I assume every single person I come into contact with is a bad, baddest of the bad, bad person. Then I work up from there.

And there have been people close to me involved in bad things that's how my views were shaped.

So do we ignore the reporting person against Caroline (baring in mind none of us here know what it is that has been alleged) and hope for the best?

I do wonder if you’d say this if you even did five minutes of figuring out who this might be.

Or even sending a text? Ringing up? Email?

But , you know , there is so little criminal behaviour to police that three blokes need to go round and ‘collect’ one woman.

Still, gets them out of the office, I suppose, and away from the Boys Big Book of Police Procedure .

Agree completely

hear hear

Caroline has come to the attention of the police before. She tried to interest them in the harassment of her some time ago but she was told there was not enough evidence to proceed. That harassment due to the website TT which was started up after the protest she engaged in outside that hospital. We all know who made the complaint/s about her to the police. There are a group of them, possibly acting together. Caroline's only crime was in not ignoring them. I would have blocked them years ago but then I've not been on the receiving-end of their maliciousness, thank God

I shouldn't have to point out that I was speaking in generalities about the police, should I?

I mean, it's right there, written in my own words. No mention of anything but the police and how little trust they deserve from women.

Do you need that explained in easier words, sweetie?

@Felix125 I find your "you stupid women are wrong to speculate but I, because I'm a copper, am right to speculate" attitude almost as irritating as your inability to differentiate between bare and bear.

"burglaries that are not investigated to a point of charging someone - have all lines of enquiry been investigated? Most burglars are very savvy and forensically aware so getting a charge on them is often difficult."

'Difficult' - FFS! So the Police need to work harder then. Not opt for the low hanging fruit like Twitter spats where they add virtually no value to actual crime prevention or prosecution levels of serious crime.

I mean, actually turning up when a crime like burglary, car theft, serious vandalism, and anti-social behaviour is reported would be a start. Hard to get any charge when the only action is an office based bod dishing out a crime number for the insurance claim after the caller waits for an hour or so on 101.

One thing I agree with the Home Secretary are her comments that “Everything that our police officers do should be about driving down crime and keeping people safe... It means focusing effort on deterring and catching criminals, not pandering to politically correct preoccupations... Policing means police focused on delivering criminal justice, not social justice"

If you joined the dots you would see Caroline Farrow is a VICTIM. That investigating properly would be to look at the vexatious complainer and join the dots on their pattern of behaviour.

I also think the there’s the tendency when women are being harassed or abused for days, months then years, to police their behaviour. When they (and I’m talking generally here vs about anybody specific) eventually speak out of turn or say something that may not be factually incorrect, get visibly upset or retaliate then suddenly that’s used as justification for the harassment and their treatment possibly by the police. ‘See how she behaves / is unstable etc etc.’

Felix125,whether they were sent or not,3 police officers arrived at her door. We are constantly told of pressures on the police,so this seems bonkers. Why couldn't someone phone,text or email?
Burglars might be 'savvy' but if no one investigates at all,they don't really need to be,do they?

If the person targeting Caroline Farrow is one of the two people I think it is, then neither has an exemplary track record. One has a significant stain on his recent history, the other is notorious for being a vexatious litigant and has actively harangued at least one other woman on these boards.

our police monitor has repeatedly told me that the police will handle every complaint individually and not look to see if vindictive reporting is a pattern of behaviour.
And every time i remind him about Shana Grice. And ask him to reflect on why so many women a) distrust the police and are b) unlikely to report their stalker/rapist because the police are too lazy and/or don't care

This.

And I reiterate. The Home Secretary would be fucking aghast at what goes on here, in the name of 'the law'.

If this sort of policing is 'by consent' then no, we don't. None of us.

Many professionals use other professionals in this way at work.

You have to wonder how patients cope for example if their GP did this type of safeguarding report to SS/police and destroy lives.

I note Professionals seem to think each others reports are of more value (I don't know why they think passing some exams and HR interviews makes one more worthy of telling the truth) than a report from the general public.

Also those who understand the law for example, can word things in certain ways that gets action.

@ElbowsToes - yes, in this whole net of years long harassment, a knowledge of the law seems to have been relied upon quite interestingly….

JanesLittleGirl
@Felix125 I find your "you stupid women are wrong to speculate but I, because I'm a copper, am right to speculate" attitude almost as irritating as your inability to differentiate between bare and bear.

I've said many times before - we can all speculate all we want. But how can we say the police were wrong in the action they have taken if we know nothing about the crime being investigated here?

Allthegoodnamesarechosen
Or even sending a text? Ringing up? Email?

But , you know , there is so little criminal behaviour to police that three blokes need to go round and ‘collect’ one woman.

And do we know that wasn't tried?

I have explained before why 3 cops were probably there

Boiledbeetle
You don't know my history. I assume every single person I come into contact with is a bad, baddest of the bad, bad person. Then I work up from there.

You're right - I don't know your history and if something bad has happened in your past then you have my upmost sympathies

But the vast majority of people do not think this way. The vast majority treat people as they want to be treat. Say hello as they pass, hold doors open for each other etc etc

MissMissive · Yesterday 15:25
I do wonder if you’d say this if you even did five minutes of figuring out who this might be.

Ok if you have figured it out then - what's the offence/crime being investigated here? What has the reporting person said and who is it?

Fluffymule
'Difficult' - FFS! So the Police need to work harder then. Not opt for the low hanging fruit like Twitter spats where they add virtually no value to actual crime prevention or prosecution levels of serious crime.

Yes - we should investigate properly and if there are lines of enquiry there, they should be explored.

But most burglars wear double gloves, bags on their feet, masks so they don't drop any mouth/nose DNA. They have a change of clothes close by to the address and a fence to take the stole goods straight away. They know where the CCTV's are and how to disguise themselves off it. No witnesses, no lines of enquiries and they have 'rent a witness' for their alibis - so most burglaries are hard to prove.

Its not a case of working harder - if the evidence isn't there, it isn't there

But we can't just ignore other crimes or incidents as they come in

Fluffymule
One thing I agree with the Home Secretary are her comments that “Everything that our police officers do should be about driving down crime and keeping people safe... It means focusing effort on deterring and catching criminals, not pandering to politically correct preoccupations... Policing means police focused on delivering criminal justice, not social justice"

I agree - that's why i work for a force which has no rainbow cars, lanyards. We don't wear PIN badges, poppies or align to any charities.

We should focus on crime and help victims of crime.

So I am guessing that you would be supportive of the police action against Caroline then in this instance? A crime has been alleged by the victim which the police need to investigate.

And a 'focused effort' on investigating it quickly. Fail to turn up for a vol interview, then expect a knock on your door. After all, its what the Home Secretary wants.

Shelefttheweb
If you joined the dots you would see Caroline Farrow is a VICTIM. That investigating properly would be to look at the vexatious complainer and join the dots on their pattern of behaviour.

You don't know who the reporting person is though or what the allegation is? So what dots are you joining?

Feckedupbundle
Perhaps they did phone and it wasn't answered.
Perhaps they knocked on the door and it was not answered.
What do you want the police to do then - go back to the victim and say "SORRY, THE CRIME IS BEING CLOSED AS SHE WON'T ANSWER THE PHONE TO US"

Yes, there are huge pressures on police - that's why this cop wants to get this enquiry done & dusted quickly before they get a load more cirmes on their queue to investigate. The crime won't magically vanish - the cop will have to deal with it.