Caroline F - new arrest / harassment ?

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Caroline has just posted on twitter that the police were trying to force entry - WTF going on?

Three officers saying she has to go with them.

Three.

twitter.com/cf_farrow/status/1651514281471492096?s=46&t=rbPMHI1uvxUAiQC4E1EE3A

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When it can be proven that's its false and/or vexatious.

But doesn't that require someone to actually look for/ at the evidence? If the police don't want/ can't be bothered to find the evidence, then they can nfa the whole thing, if that is what is most politic for them to do.

I wonder if they cross reference. Otherwise, you get two cracks of the whip, don't you.

I wish we had someone who was more knowledgeable about the way these things work. Someone neutral I mean.

Compare and contrast with the victims of Savile who were labelled quite early by the BBC and West Yorkshire Constabulary as vexatious complainants.

yes, one of them posts on here. It's absolutely shocking the way she was treated.

And do they investigate to see if there is evidence with the same zeal and alacrity with which they have investigated Caroline Farrow?

Ie every single complaint thoroughly looked into every time, doors kicked in to speak to the suspect, suspect interviewed at a police station, waiting for weeks and months to find out if there will be a charge, etc?

I met some of those victims, prior to his death, in my previous professional life, they declined to make complaints because they knew that they would be dismissed as fantasists.

Shocking. But not surprising.

And the young girls who were abused in Rotherham were also warned off reporting their rapes, with the threat that they would be charged with a criminal offence, by the police, IIRC?

That case is a civil court case for defamation. The 'claimant' evidently decided to pursue this through the civil courts as well as making repeated complaints to the police.

What the case indicates is that here we have a complainant well versed in building up cases that the police and courts are forced to entertain.

Irrespective of whether CF is charged or convicted, the process is the punishment.

The complainant in CF’s first arrest identified themselves and has said things like this.

As Felix says, we don’t know all the facts, but it seems neither do the police before rushing in to arrest.

https://twitter.com/flyinglawyer73/status/1527719251322208256?s=46&t=fJOSK8EiYG4do9YpgXSkcg

The complainant in this first case has also posted a video about CF on their YouTube channel.

This isn’t about the merits and flaws complainant or CF. To some extent they are irrelevant.

An impartial observer can see there’s a long standing tit for tat, he said/she said.

If a gender identity wasn’t involved, would the police really be rushing to arrest a woman over this? How would this work the other way round, if a woman reported a man for posting comments about her online. Would they be rushing to arrest a man in front of his kids?

This is why people are concerned. Felix wants to believe that there must be more to it, is giving the police the benefit of the doubt and trying to persuade the world-weary women on this board to do likewise.

We are too jaded and cynical at this point. We’ve seen too many other cases of police abuse.

This is why people are concerned. Felix wants to believe that there must be more to it, is giving the police the benefit of the doubt and trying to persuade the world-weary women on this board to do likewise.

I disagree. Felix has been repeatedly told the issue over many threads and about a number of women. Felix has no interest in acquiring any knowledge about the background to any these cases.

I know not everyone shares my view but as far as I’m concerned, crack on mate plodpost away. You’re backing up our points

Absolutely Felix isn’t here to listen to women, he’s here because he’s allowed to stomp all over women's boundaries here and invade their space.

And proving just how much the presence of one male changes a female space and not for the better.

Felix is just another man invading women's spaces.

Like all the other disrespectful men, invading women's spaces.

He cannot let us talk without interjections and telling us we are wrong.

He is part of the overall problem.

Two articles in the Observer that might be pertinent, there's this one

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/07/police-are-curbing-free-speech-not-just-at-behest-of-right-crackdown-mall

I'll just check the second, I'll post it if it adds anything.

we know what happens when women report, say, their ex- who is stalking them more than once. Suddenly plod can work out that it is the same complainant and the same person they are complaining about. That woman is then fined.

And when she's subsequently murdered by her stalker ex? plod is confused.

Spat my tea out reading that.

As a certain poster is still saying the same old shite, I feel bound to leave this thread for better pastures, theres a thread about a fabulous book that plods probably wont inhabit or take over.

For clarity I have worked in an admin role for the police so never been a police officer but have worked in police stations. I think one thing that it is important to remember is forces differ, officers differ. I've worked with a few who I would say were sexist and unpleasant, I've worked with others who were very supportive of women or minorities and were very nice. It really isn't a question of "Police officers are all like this." For good or ill. My experience was I worked with more of the good ones than the bad ones and ironically some of the most judgemental of women were some female officers.

I've also worked with some very hard working officers who will definitely go the extra mile and I've worked with some lazy so and so's who definitely didn't earn their salary.

Forces will have a department that deals with complains, think of Line of Duty. Those officers can be very unpopular if they do their job properly as it isn't nice to be interviewed by them and I have been. Totally ridiculous situation where a man came out of prison and came to collect his things that were taken when he was arrested. I produced things like his wallet, bus pass, packet of cigarettes but I didn't have one item. Let's say a box of used matches and an elastic band, they weren't in his property box and he complained and a Chief Inspector had to interview me as I'd been accused of stealing his items. He had been arrested years before I even worked at that station, no way to work out when they had gone missing but the investigation was done and I believe he was paid compensation for the items. Not sure what a box of used matches and an elastic band would be worth but regardless it was dealt with. The investigation would definitely have cost more.

So my advice to anyone who is having an issue is find out what the department is called in your force and make a complaint.

That really doesn't always happen and obviously it should never happen. I have done court papers that deal with men doing this and the officers investigated, arrested and took the men to court.

I wasn’t fined but after a few times of reporting my ex stalking me the police went from doing nothing to telling me it was my fault for going out and I should just stay at home so he couldn’t follow me. I had to move to a different part of the country to shake off the stalker.

The aggro from the police because I was reporting more than one instance of stalking (because guess what harassers offend repeatedly) just made a scary shitty situation worse.

Yeah NAPALT but the ones who aren’t seem to be hard to find. I’ve never had a good experience reporting harassment to the police.

Here's the other article

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/06/metropolitan-police-sexism-misogyny-year-special-constable

Did you report them? I take it this was your local station? Without a doubt there are some lazy ones. It shouldn't be the luck of the draw which sort you get. If all else fails I'd go to my MP, senior officers really don't like having to explain to the local MP why their officers are messing about.

I know a lot on here is about the Met and I have to say I never met an officer in the force I worked for who had a good word to say about the Met. I can't comment personally as I've never had any dealings with them other than on the phone.

I only personally know one family who put in a complaint to the police (met). The police harassed them including having them followed and all parts of their lives were investigated for complaining. Before they complained I’d no idea that was even an option, complaining didn’t get them anywhere but made their life worse. So no I didn’t complain

The claimant only enters that stage if they are guilty of being a female, let's be honest, only women are ever viewed as being vindictive and unreasonable which is what it boils down to.

Similar happened to someone I know. Their ljfe was made a misery after daring to complain about the local police. So everybody knows not to do it in the area, no matter how egregious the conduct. It was the Met.

This is yet another example on this thread of demonising a poster purely on the basis of their gender. By this point it’s getting so ridiculous it’s embarrassing 😳.

This is yet another example on this thread of demonising a poster purely on the basis of their gender. By this point it’s getting so ridiculous it’s embarrassing 😳.

You’ll be telling the pesky women off for ‘chatting bubbles’ next. Do you think we should all ‘foxtrot Oscar’?

What would you prefer us to talk about? Benny from Crossroads? Hot pink bras and bobble hats?