Caroline F - new arrest / harassment ?

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Caroline has just posted on twitter that the police were trying to force entry - WTF going on?

Three officers saying she has to go with them.

Three.

twitter.com/cf_farrow/status/1651514281471492096?s=46&t=rbPMHI1uvxUAiQC4E1EE3A

I don’t know if this is allowed, but this court judgement was released and posted online this week. It’s related to CF’s first arrest.

https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/KB/2023/950.html

That is truly awful. And they don't know why they were sent...yeah right. Bunch of lying wankers.

"Standing back, it is fanciful to suppose that there is any likelihood that the Claimant's case on the issue of serious harm to reputation is going to improve if this case were permitted to continue. She has put forward her best inferential case and, on an assessment of the underlying facts, it is hopeless. The Claimant is not entitled to progress further with the claim in the hope that some actual evidence of serious harm to reputation may turn up."

if i understood that all correctly: the complainant assumed that they are so famous that a tweet that went out to fewer than 3,000 people (not sure about the retweets) that was up for 40 minutes, would lead to them being considered a Not Lovely person (paraphrasing).

And that because of this tweet that was up for 40 minutes, etc, a woman was arrested and taken to a police station?

It is bonkers. It is downright bonkers. When the police just give you a crime number for insurance if you're burgled, that a woman - and i cannot stress this enough - was arrested and taken to a police station because for some words. These words didn't even incite violence or constitute a threat which would also be bonkers but at least a bit more understandable.

Who makes these decisions? What is the actual "thought" process at HQ plod when this happens?

AlisonDonut
What is the point of a feminist section of a forum where big old brutes can spend all the live long day telling us we are all wrong?

You aren't a feminist.

You know nothing of feminist activity.

You actively work against feminist thought

So no wonder so many people want to tell you to fuck off. More would if they weren't going to get deleted or banned for it.

Its a discussion about policing that just happens to be in the 'feminism' discussion group. There is nothing in the site rules to say that I can not be part of this discussion.

I am not acting against feminist thought or being misogynistic - and you can't show anywhere where I have been.

I am also not trying to prevent anyone from adding to the discussion - which is in contrast to yourself, reference your post on page 1

Its a discussion forum - my last two posts were to answer good points raised by Dumdo12 & Sinnerboy. Hence I have answered them quoting their names at the top of the post.

If you don't want to contribute to the discussion - you don't have to.

The argument is that the police are wrong in attending Caroline's on this occasion.

My counter argument to this is that 'we' just don't know yet why the police attended or what the reporting person has said in their complaint. So at present 'we' can't judge.

Yes - I have said it a number of times because people keep throwing the same argument back at me.

Disclaimer - I am using 'we' to mean me and most others on here. I acknowledge that some on here will know or have been told the details of the complaint and I am aware that Caroline may have access to this thread or indeed people close to her. I also acknowledge that the reporting person, OIC and direct witnesses may also read the thread and hence will not be included in the term 'we'.

Have you considered prefacing your comments with "'ello, 'ello, 'ello. What's all this then?" to give them more authority?

So have you finally understood that if you keep repeating the same 'argument' that people will keep repeating the same responses that they gave you the first time?

Because that is their response to your 'argument'.

What do you hope to achieve by repeating yourself?

Brefugee
If your understanding is correct - then yes its bonkers and the police were wrong.

But is there more to the reporting person's complaint?

If this current complaint is along the same lines then the only offence to consider is s2 Harassment. This is a summary offence only and will not give a power of entry to the police - so is there more to it the reporting person's account?

So perhaps for us to understand the full story - we will need to know what the reporting person has said on this occasion. This will give us more insight as to thought process at 'HQ plod'

Same disclaimer as above for the term 'we'.......

Its a discussion about policing that just happens to be in the 'feminism' discussion group.

It's not. It's a thread about a woman who has been interviewed by the police on a number of occasions because of complaints by a male person who doesn't like what she posts on social media.

It belongs in the 'feminism' section because of the nature of her posts and because it's about a male person making multiple complaints to the police in order to harass a woman.

If you read this thread properly and the other threads about her (some of them are linked at the bottom of the page under 'similar threads') and followed some of the links supplied instead of lecturing us about police procedure you might have understood what this is about.

Personally, I'm not talking about policing as such. I have no real interest in it. I'm talking about the capture of the police force by trans ideologists.

If they were captured by any other religious sect, it wouldn't be intersecting with this board.

This board is to talk about sex and gender issues for women. Fuck all to do with the police, unless they are interfering in them.

Funnily enough.

OldCrone

No - because people are just going back to square one and repeating the same argument.

The only posters recently that moved it forward and have listened to what I have said is Dumbo12 & Sinnerboy. They have then posted a query based on that response - and hence the discussion moves forward.

But a lot of others are just telling me to 'F* Off' (which is never a good argument) or just telling me that its 100% connected to the previous issues but offering no support to the claim.

DancingTortoise also raised this on the previous page - "Personally I feel that if people take issue with Felix’s posts then it would be better to address his actual arguments as opposed to going after him for being a male and/or a police officer. Or the other option is to simply not respond to him, of course."

But then Dancingtortoise was rebuked by Brefugee - telling them ".....new here, are you? We know how to suck eggs, thanks...." which doesn't really add to the discussion either and was quite dismissive I thought.

See - back to the same argument - You don't know at this stage if it is connected.

And the thread is about this new arrest - "Caroline has just posted on twitter that the police were trying to force entry - WTF going on?"

Three officers saying she has to go with them.

Three.

Mentions nothing about it being linked at this stage.

The title of this particular thread though is about police.

If you want to talk about "the capture of the police force by trans ideologists." then don't de-rail this thread. Start a new one

Oh dear, Felix, I'm afraid you're wrong there. The title of this board is the sex and gender discussions. Fuck all to do with the police, unless it intersects with that.

And in this case, it's about harassment. Nothing to do with actual police procedure.

Although I can easily see why people everywhere are under the impression that police procedure and harassment are interchangeable terms.

A perception, as you have been told repeatedly, that Suella Braverman has requested the police try to dispel.

Not reinforce.

Anyway, back to the purpose of the thread.

Claimant is not entitled to progress further with the claim in the hope that some actual evidence of serious harm to reputation may turn up."

So they start a new claim?

And what point does a claimant enter the territory of vexatious litigant? What's the threshold I wonder for 'oh no not you again'?

There’s now so much evidence of police harassment of women I can no longer see them as anything other than a misogynist group that I mistrust in their dealings with women unless I have evidence they are acting impartially.

Obligatory disclaimer before a metscolder complains NAPALT

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/14/more-than-1500-uk-police-officers-accused-of-violence-against-women-in-six-months

Ah, I see what your problem is now. You've made repeated posts on the wrong thread. Usually people notice this after accidentally posting a single post on the wrong thread, but you've managed over 100 over several days. I'm afraid I can't signpost you to the right thread, because I've no idea which thread you meant to post on.

The title of this thread is "Caroline F - new arrest / harassment ?" It's a thread about Caroline Farrrow being arrested and harassed. The clue really is in the title.

And is that threshold different for male and female litigants I wonder

That case is a civil court case for defamation. The 'claimant' evidently decided to pursue this through the civil courts as well as making repeated complaints to the police.

I keep wondering this. At what point do the police warn the vexatious complainant that any further unfounded accusations could result in charges of wasting police time and harassment?

And does that threshold differ, in practice, if the complainant is trans? Because from where I’m standing the police appear to have been enormously, and somewhat uncharacteristically, patient, here….

OldCrone
And then read the text:

Caroline has just posted on twitter that the police were trying to force entry - WTF going on?

Three officers saying she has to go with them.

Three.

So its about the police response to it

Datun · Today 12:59
Oh dear, Felix, I'm afraid you're wrong there. The title of this board is the sex and gender discussions. Fuck all to do with the police, unless it intersects with that.

Yes - that's the title of the board - but the thread itself is about:

Caroline has just posted on twitter that the police were trying to force entry - WTF going on?

Three officers saying she has to go with them.

Three.

Regardless of the board that it sits in, that's the title of this particular discussion - and i am not prevented from posting here

It's quite the conundrum.

Compare and contrast with the victims of Savile who were labelled quite early by the BBC and West Yorkshire Constabulary as vexatious complainants.