Jackie Green reacts to KJK

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https://twitter.com/The_StateMedia/status/1650560961353248769

Above is a clipped version, highlighting the many times JG calls KJK a bitch. In the Twitter thread is JG’s original video.

I wasn’t sure whether to post this. Really the person to criticise is Susie Green, but at the same time JG is an adult and has publicly made a video using misogynistic language. Or does the background mean JG should be off-limits? Opinions welcome.

It's interesting that both Jazz and Jackie say that this came from them, and their mum's just complied.

Not only do I think that's not true, I think it's a narrative deliberately fostered by the mums. To minimise their guilt, whether that's conscious or unconscious.

No one who keeps telling their boy child that their toy preference for dolls is that of a girl, can realistically think they've had nothing to do with it.

Disturbing. Sounded vocally like a bad ContraPoints wannabe.

A lot of abused children think they are responsible for the abuse. I see no difference in these cases when they say they chose what happened. That's adults putting that into their heads.

Yes and its also very common for abused children to feel responsible for any negative consequence faced by the abuser.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5612369/

Just so devastating for all the lives Mermaids has crapped up because one woman couldn't say no to her 6 year old...

Or to her husband, either.

Offended people please look away.

It's probably due to the fact they weren't around much earlier in the child's life. Childminders, multiple births close in age siblings etc.

I am sure Jazz does love the family.

The friend was not walking like a girl, the friend was walking like a small subset of males .

It's like a convoluted extension of the Golden Child/Scapegoat theory. Where the transitioning issue was the scapegoat receptacle that was loaded with all the family's problems. And the golden child part mixed up with it, a bit in the Rapunzel kind of model, where the very special child is separated from the world and told a very specific narrative. In the original fairytale itself the parent is actively grooming the child's special feature, their amazing hair.

According to Stonewall, that makes them trans.

What utter bollocks

i am not aware of any evidence to support this ridiculous sweeping generalisation, are you?

let’s remember we’re talking about a woman who arranged to have her son castrated here, and then be a little bit thoughtful about who else we try to shove in that box shall we?

I've been thinking about Jackie's video. I think more and more that the performative 'bitch' insults and attempts to attack/defend are probably indicative of a sensitive personality trying hard to avoid showing pain.

There is so much self depreciation, a deep anxiety to be liked. The more I think about it, and think of a young child rejected by at least one parent for not being 'macho' enough, the more sympathy I have.

If we raise boys letting them know they can be sensitive, empathetic, kind, emotional, vulnerable, interested in 'pretty' things, enjoy colour change dolls or long hair or princess dresses, and still be valued, loved, and appreciated just as they are, would this really be an issue? Is it really true that all of that story, all of that pain, all of that struggle and suffering is stemming from a child who wanted a mermaid doll and was told 'no'?

Expousing

I haven't watched much of JJ reality tv show, but in JJ's case it's the mother AND the father who are to blame, not just the mother.

In fact, both mother and father in one clip I've seen have expressed a little bit of horror at the experimental nature of what is being done to Jazz and the fact the doctors seem to be making it up as they go along. It certainly looks as if the lack of penile tissue for surgery was not mentioned to them before putting their child on puberty blockers. And that looks to me like malpractice. Because this was known quite a long time ago, I think (and also, it's quite obvious this might be one of the side effects of blockers -does what it says on the tin - blocks puberty).

That doesn't absolve them of course, and turning it all into a grotesque reality tv show which can only be for money is pretty obscene and abusive too in my opinion. At least Jackie has had more privacy.

However, whilst Susie Green was clearly the driving force in Jackie's transition, for Jazz it is both parents, not just the mother.

the parents not understanding that boys being sweet and loving and nurturing and wanting to dress up and saying they want to be a girl today or a dinosaur tommorow is perfectly normal

Yes, absolutely.

May be the exclamations of ‘bitch’ we’re meant for JG mother…

Stella O’Malley had gender dysphoria as a child, convinced she was a he, then puberty cured her of such notions. I can’t help thinking of her story every time I see a JJ or a JG.

I also wanted to be a boy from the ages of 6-10/11. I think I knew I was a girl though. I was a typical tomboy but took it a step further and got everyone to treat me as a boy. This was late seventies, early eighties though so my parents just let me have a short haircut and occasionally called me James as per my insistence that I was a boy called James (my cousins name, funnily enough, and who seemed to have more fun that me). I don't really remember exactly when it stopped but certainly by the time I started secondary school I decided to grow my hair out, about the same time I became interested in boys. I've never worn dresses or skirts.

It astounds me how these stupid mothers cant see the huge changes that happen to human beings between 6 and 16. Even with my first, I was fully aware that there was no point discussing or speculating about things like his future sexuality until he at least knew what sex was. Same with personality really. Little boys are very different from grown men. And these women were ok with sterilising their children before they had even been through puberty. I really dont see how this is not seen as child abuse by everyone.

I was a horse-mad tomboy who dreaded the thought of developing breasts, talked about “cutting them off” should they dare to appear. When they actually grew, I loved them, lifted my shirt in every locked bathroom to admire them in the mirror.

I should also point out I was a horse-mad tomboy because my best friend was a horse-mad tomboy. Nowadays we’d both be off to the gender clinic, where no-one would address this “social contagion” and just affirm our tortured wrong-bodied gendered souls.

When I think of the life both JG and JJ might have had as happy gay men it breaks my heart a little. And to have no capacity to orgasm... Sex has been so very important in my life: desire, play, orgasm - it horrifies me when I think what this cohort were robbed of.

And they may not even have been gay of course, not that it matters, but that is the real point here - none of the regressive bullshit about toy choice and pretend play that these ridiculous parents came up with at the time is any kind of signifier of future sexuality and, of course, the idea of being 'born in the wrong body' and 'assigned at birth' is entirely made up BS.