Jackie Green reacts to KJK

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https://twitter.com/The_StateMedia/status/1650560961353248769

Above is a clipped version, highlighting the many times JG calls KJK a bitch. In the Twitter thread is JG’s original video.

I wasn’t sure whether to post this. Really the person to criticise is Susie Green, but at the same time JG is an adult and has publicly made a video using misogynistic language. Or does the background mean JG should be off-limits? Opinions welcome.

SG and husband Tim split when Jackie was 8 (according to the Ted talk) and I believe the youngest were toddlers at that point so it’s 4 boys within about 6 years of each other.

They were living in London/Home Counties near Dad’s family and after the split Susie moved up to Leeds to live with her mum/the kid’s granny.

The mother wasn't a SAHM, the child was raised by a childminder, the parents spent about a hour either end of day with the child during the week.

Years ago females wore blue as you can see in art it was associated with the Mother of Christ. You still see the hangover in the upper class, you may have seen Prince George and William in red shoes and shorts when small and with males wearing the masculine red colour in trousers.

My Mother made it clear that I didn't look like her and that a sibling shared her facial features, then made it obvious that it wasn't a good thing to not look like her.

When I see a child that has not one feature of a Mother I do tend to note how the mother treats that child as a result.

The dad Tim didn't take away and chuck out the childminders toys, he took JGs toys.
So where did these 'girls toys' come from?
It doesn't make sense.
My son went to a nursery then different childminders, I can't remember any of them commenting much on what he had played with, admittedly it was a while ago.
If the kids are that close in age SG must have been on maternity leave for a couple of years before JG started school.
Sorry if this seems a weird point to get obsessed over.

I haven't watched the old videos in a while. I think the laughing grandmother was involved in purchasing dolls, like the ones the childminder had.

I know women who carried on sending children to childminders/nursery whilst pregnant and with subsequent babies.

In the response video JG made there is mention of a female cousin who is a few years older - it’s supposedly the cousin who introduced the idea of ‘the op’ to 4 year old Jackie.
Jackie says that the cousin probably didn’t know what ‘the op’ actually involved.

It comes across as two little kids playing magical thinking games (the cousin having heard of ‘the op that makes a man into a woman’ but it being quite an abstract idea, not anything specific) and SG has interpreted the request for the nebulous, magical ‘op’ as ‘please invert my penis asap’

Anyway, the cousin is probably about 7 and from the timeline of the south > north move most likely on dad’s side of the family so it’s possible Jackie’s first girl toys are hand me downs from the cousin?

And then dad throws those toys out and forbids any more from coming in via that route and so Jackie asks granny (on the other side of the family) for a secret dolly?

Jackie Green is not a child chronologically,
no. But if their brain is not matured beyond that of a 10-year-old, then no amount of experience in an adult world will make that happen. They will be experiencing an adult world from the perspective a 10-year-old one who, albeit, has seen more than any other 10-year-old.

This is new ground, because obviously, the treatment is experimental. But I would've thought that just living amongst adults wouldn't make someone 'grow'. Otherwise children would be all growing at the same rate. But they're not. They grow according to personal hormonal development.

The current prevailing thought is that adults aren't actually mature until they're 25 or 27. They've certainly matured in their physical body way before then. But the brain development is not mature.

WinterTrees · Today 18:32
One of the saddest things for me is how often Jackie repeats that all these things were their choice. 'I wanted it... I chose those photos... I wasn't forced into it...' and variations of those things crop up again and again.

Yes - how can a 6 year old have any idea of where the reality of transition would lead.

What strikes me about the mothers of Jazz and Jacky is what a great deal of faith they put in the doctors. Absolute faith in the most extreme medical pathway possible. Were they gullible in some way?

Most transitioners the parents seem to have misgivings but they both made the decision to socially transition their son's during their Junior school years, -all in - like a pushy parent doing toddler pageants or child acting - that vibe.

'I was the one who initiated my transition I was the one who said I am a girl this is who I am I want to transition I want to be me my parents didn't force me to be a girl they didn't encourage me they just supported me and embraced me for who I am as all parents should all parents should be like my parents because they've allowed me to blossom into the young woman that I've always known I was'

Jazz Jennings.

Again, the insistence that the child was in charge. This isn't the win they think it is.

Ah, I see what you mean @SpeedSnap, thank you for explaining.

Noah the 17 year old transman on The Witch Trials of JK Rowling podcast sounds very similar.

The mother wasn't a SAHM, the child was raised by a childminder, the parents spent about a hour either end of day with the child during the week.

This is really offensive @SpeedSnap. I have always worked but my children weren't raised by a childminder

Sorry this bit

The mother wasn't a SAHM, the child was raised by a childminder, the parents spent about a hour either end of day with the child during the week.

Was a quote. The formatting went awry

So we have various people who are insistent that as children they were given the responsibility and the choice and the agency to consent to extreme medical procedures that were not based on sound evidence and that we are still unsure of the possible long term impacts of.

Thereby absolving their parents.

Handy.

To be very blunt and clear, children can't give informed consent. Adults who push these kinds of responsibilities on children are (at best) failing their children.

A lot of abused children think they are responsible for the abuse. I see no difference in these cases when they say they chose what happened. That's adults putting that into their heads.

This was never the children's choices. It can't have been they weren't old enough to make informed decisions or consent to life long medical issues and medication.

Yes, exactly.

😁We crossed there I saw there was a new post but it didn't refresh until i posted!

Yes I thought the same thing Clymene.
My son wasn't raised in a nursery or by a childminder just because I had to work.
I doubt SG did work full time before JG started school with 2 more pregnancies in that time.
Some people do keep up a childcare place but not many full time.
Maybe the "girls toys" were hand me down from cousins, but if the dad really believed playing dolls would make his child gay why accept them just to take them away?
Something is just not ringing true for me in this whole sorry story.

The thing that struck me about both those videos is a) how young they both seem - not like the (many) mid and late twenties people I know and talk to on a daily basis and b) how they sound like young boys, not young women - clearly something has been stunted.

Just FYI, Finnster isn't trans. They are a gay man who cross dresses.

I remember Jazz Jenning"s mother say that the first thing Jazz said was "I want a vagina". Right luv, of course Jazz said that. It's funny how these trans kids have such precocious language skills.

Wow, I just watched this 20-minute explanation of an unethical doctor who set this whole gender craze rolling many decades ago. Fascinating and horrifying - reminds me a bit of that amazing film “Three Identical Strangers”, in terms of terrible experiments performed on babies and children.

For the mums I wonder if there’s an element of keeping in control/staying in their child’s life. Jazz Jennings, Emily Bridges, Freddie McConnell - they all have very close relationships with their mothers and are still very involved with them as adults. Not criticising this but their lives revolve around their children even as adults. Do they feel guilty or do they like the fact they are so needed?