Jackie Green reacts to KJK

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https://twitter.com/The_StateMedia/status/1650560961353248769

Above is a clipped version, highlighting the many times JG calls KJK a bitch. In the Twitter thread is JG’s original video.

I wasn’t sure whether to post this. Really the person to criticise is Susie Green, but at the same time JG is an adult and has publicly made a video using misogynistic language. Or does the background mean JG should be off-limits? Opinions welcome.

I'd expect nothing less from you, Mishy 😂. Nice try, but we know what we saw.

Lots of smelly arse, prick and tit type language.

Yes, even from a small bit that I watched, I had the impression that Jackie was hearing all of this for the first time and was agreeing with quite a lot of it.

Jackie said they had not seen that KJK video before, and at first I doubted that, but now I think it's true.

I think, historically, Jackie has been told to not watch or engage in anything that might upset them. Susie Green cant fail to see Jackie's immaturity and vulnerability after all. And I bet that video was verboten. And now Jackie's reaction to it has been deleted.

If I was Jackie's mother I would've done that too.

Also, KJK mentions her children often. When she talks about them, she comes across as someone who has thought a lot about parenting, the way it works etc. And Jackie will have seen KJK behaving like incredibly caring mother. Not someone who is anti trans.

God, it's all such a mess.

Does anyone know that if puberty blockers have arrested a child's mental maturation, whether it can ever be resumed?

I noticed Maria McLaughlin (sorry spelling?) aka PeakTrans, had commented on the YouTube. A very helpful, long comment on how to make a better reaction video in the future. Which I thought was very kind of her. I didn't watch much, 'twas very dull imo.

I thought JG sounded drunk and/or stoned but possibly that's just how mid-Atlantic sounds nowadays? I thought much younger, astonished what the age is.

This avoiding pronouns malarkey is daft but I'm enjoying the challenge 😎

Re the question about whether we should or shouldn't discuss someone, there are two issues. Firstly are they trying to live a quiet, private life? Secondly what happens if we decide they're vulnerable and don't discuss them out of respect to that?

JG clearly isn't trying to live a life out if the spotlight, because people who want that don't put up videos of themselves attacking controversial figures. JG knows full well who KJK is.

Secondly, if we say that JG is vulnerable, it's actually hugely patronising. And tbh no other adults get a free pass to be dicks online (or anywhere in RL) because people think they're vulnerable. Prisons are FULL of vulnerable men and women. If we removed all vulnerable people from prison, they'd be empty save for a few fraudsters.

Underage medical transition cannot be a reason to ignore the voices of certain people as that then creates a group who have far kore freedoms than anybody else. And as I'm sure they and their mates wouldn't want to be patronised, I'm sure they'll delight in robust adult discussion taking place, like it does for everybody else. Of course, it may be that they want to stir people like us up so they can copy quotes and gain more publicity based on their "victimisation". Which in itself would be rather ironic given that the holy grail of trans activism is to allow everybody full transition at any age they want it, meaning someone like JG should be stronger and les victimised than everybody out there.

Those of us who have children & teens caught up in this are stuck, unable to speak out publicly because destroys our child’s right to future privacy.

Even if our children desist or detransition, we still cannot speak publicly because our child should be able to move on and leave as much of it behind as possible.

Those of us with a conscious try to avoid criticising Jazz and Jackie and the others like them, preferring to keep our criticism the adults involved, the doctors and the parents.

Jackie wondering why Posie is criticising Jackie’s mum, Susie and not Jackie-the-Child is strangely illustrative of the whole mess of paediatric transition.

I wish Jackie the best, but Jackie’s mum has used Jackie’s story as a tool to convince thousands of people, many of them teachers, that chemically castrating children is OK. It isn’t.

So Posie is right to criticise Susie (especially as those of us with children harmed by this are stuck in the shadows and need someone to do the speaking for us) and if the now-adult-Jackie (not even young adult!) wants to wade in to the conversation with a video filled with abusive swears at Posie, fair enough, but it does chip away at the ‘kids are off limits’ rationale we’ve all largely kept to this far.

Ultimately Susie gave away Jackie’s privacy by parading Jackie on TV (and laughing at Jackie’s underdeveloped genitalia on camera!) and if Jackie wanted to reclaim privacy, a name change and an ordinary off-camera life would’ve facilitated that. This video seems to make a strong case that Jackie does not want to be protected from criticism and at 30ish, that’s Jackie’s choice to make.

I’d love to see Jackie debate detransitioners like Ritchie or Watson, but Ritchie and Watson shouldn’t have to be in the public eye, not while they are physically healing from the horrors of trans ideology, some Of which are irreversible.

No, I have not seen jazz Jennings video, I saw mention of it on Twitter this morning. Cheerleading Jazz’s lovely mummy who has only ever supported Jazz and that Jazz is happy. Two parts, apparently 2nd tomorrow but I can’t find it

interesting timing if there are two early pioneers of transitioning your young child both being praised by their kids.

You don't sound nasty at all. Jazz Jennings, Kim Petras and Jackie Green are all examples of 'early childhood MtF transition' and all have followed the same physical path of appearing to 'pass' when still very young, but having that pesky Y chromosome reassert itself once the mid-20s arrives.

Sex is not just decided by hormones. Doctors can stunt growth as much as they like but testosterone and bone structure forms in utero and certain physical characteristics will assert themselves eventually.

I say this not to be mean, but to say very emphatically that we are doing young boys like this a huge disservice, indeed I would argue an abuse, but telling them that they can become real women as long as they 'consent' to going down disabling medical pathways, the long term effects of which are not known.

It's monstrous really.

@PoshCoffee Jackie's not too thin. Plenty young men are like beanpoles but they fill out later.

I've just got to a bit near the end where JG comes out with what sounds like a frequently trotted-out line about 'trans is beautiful, trans is magical, I'm a goddamn unicorn', then slips into silly baby voice - 'and you are just jealous. That's what I'm going with. You're jealous and you've got a big mouth and nothing to say and you're just flappin' it around.'

It could be the words and voice of a Disney cartoon character, and I wonder how much JG styled themselves on that kind of fantasy, makebelieve figure during what sounds like a very isolated adolescence.

It's ironic that when KJK talks about the physical reality of genital reassignment surgery, JG talks over it with loud howls of 'Ugh, you're gross!' It's the same reaction a child would have to the idea of boys and girls kissing. 'Why do you have to be so graphic?' JG wails, as if the truth of flesh and surgical limitation is something that must be hidden behind the rainbows and glitter and cartoon unicorns, even while kids are being led down the pathway to towards it.

Plenty young men are like beanpoles but they fill out later.

I am not sure I would still count 30 as young. I mean it is all relative but 30 ‘mature adult’ physiolog.

I dunno I've known guys that were still in the 'eat anything I want, look like a rake' mode until their late 30s, then reality caught up fast (to my glee!).

However looking at other MtFs child transitioners like Jazz and Kim Petras, too much weight gain seems to be the problem, and some endocrinologists have advanced the theory that this may be due to doses of supraphysiological oestrogen that male bodies are simply not designed to cope with.

the biggest overall problem is that NO ONE KNOWS what the long term health outcomes are for these childhood medical experiments. o one knows. But society will doubtless pay a huge cost for the long term care of these poor people, who may have very severe and unanticipated health and disability issues by mid adulthood.

Jackie acts like a child.

When KJK talked about the characteristics of the photographs that have been made public, Jackie was just banging on about oh I remember that day, I loved that
headress, it was a party, etc.

Unable to comprehend the nature of what Kellie was saying.

i'm not going to lie, I found it all rather shocking.

I feel very sorry for JG and am of course appalled at what their parents have done to them in childhood and the lifelong consequences they are now going to have to deal with.
It’s tragic, it really it is, that this has been allowed to happen to somebody’s human life before they were even able to understand what was going on.
After all we don’t own our children, rather we are looking after them, providing for them, guiding them and raising them into capable adults. Not making them into (our own ideas of) perfect dolls for our amusement/“acceptability” to homophobic fathers.
However at the same time JG is now a fully grown 30 year old, rather tall and over bearing adult, and I personally wouldn’t want to spend anytime around this deeply unpleasant, unhinged and misogynistic person.
I’d be concerned for the safety of any women or girls around this person due to the obvious woman hating and misogyny that is seeping from every pore.
As PP have already suggested I also suspect the hatred is misdirected at KJK for now as the truth is far too painful for JG to even begin to unpack.

God i feel so very sad for this person

Is Jackie really 30 years old now? The lack of maturity is shocking.

The lack of maturity is to be entirely expected, surely? If you skip past puberty you’re going to be a mentally stunted adult - that’s always been obvious.

I feel sorry for Jackie. Part of me hopes Jackie never has the realisation of what Jackie’s parents did to Jackie. The father for not accepting a child who could have been a happy gay man, the mother for going to the lengths she did to attempt to make her son her daughter. Most people have issues with parents to overcome, to some extent, but the realisation that this mother created an infertile, immature caricature of a woman with no real hopes of a healthy relationship, would be incredibly difficult to get over.
For this reason I think Jackie should be left alone. Under the circumstances Jackie has turned out exactly as you’d expect, and should be a warning for everyone, that allowing a child to make such life changing decisions is the worst thing you could do to a child.

Is JG a physically mature adult, @Shelefttheweb ? Isn’t part of the point of puberty blockers that JG won’t actually reach maturity, and will be stuck in a twilight of underdeveloped body and brain?

Even with the context, I would not chose to be in the same room as this individual either, even though I am sorry for then that they didn't deserve what was done to them in childhood.

Lots of people suffered hardships in life or have disabilities and as much as nobody is perfect, many people do their best to be decent.

the thought of someone doing this to my sons

Worse still the thought of ME doing this to my sons

it’s like something from a horror film

I still think KJK is correct in thinking things through, being honest and using the correct language, it's the decent thing to do.

I don't think an adult who says stuff like that can reasonably be off limits but I do agree that engaging with her doesn't help our cause and I wish people wouldn't.

Don't interrupt your enemy while they are making a mistake.

She's clearly (and understandably) very damaged. Her being in the public eye isn't going to help Susie Greene's case that castrating her son helped him.

Yes, that was my point. You can’t Cary on saying ‘their development/maturity is typical of a young adult’ when they are no longer a young adult.

*carry

I know you probably didn't labour over word choice but it's really important to understand that puberty blockers do not cause you to 'skip past puberty'.

What Lupron does is basically stunt growth by blocking certain growth hormones which also activate puberty. The body and brain keeps growing, but without the activation of these crucial hormones which are known to play incredibly important roles in joint strength and motility, brain maturation, bone density and soft tissue formation, which regulates everything from the strength of the heart and lungs to the strength of the ankles, wrists and hips to the efficacy of the digestive system.

The medical establishment simply does not know what the longer term health effects of stunting physical maturation are. Other than a blanket but tacit admission that they're very unlikely to be good.

I agree. Kellie's priority is to stop this happening to other children. You can't do that by using the euphemisms that trans ideology tries to force you to.

It's almost the entire reason why this has managed to continue unfettered. The mangling of language.