London marathon accepts trans women as women

[MrsJamin]

Runner Glenique Frank has just appeared on the BBC footage, clearly male, and has registered as a woman. Sure, he isn't getting a medal any time soon but how is this OK? And don't even get me started about the stupidity of a non binary category - sure fire way for a mediocre male to get a medal! Utterly pathetic.

That’s terrible. Is this in the news? Anyone talking about it?

I saw that bit of coverage too, including the rearranging of the chicken fillets before running off.

So it's impossible for women to benchmark against each other then. How kind of them...

Haven't seen it but wonder if they are close to a women's Good For Age time to guarantee a place?

Makes me so cross.

Why bother to have men's and women's categories?

Expected finish time just less than 4 hours, so pretty good for a man and very good for a woman- I don't know how old he was but old enough, that'd be good enough for a woman to qualify for Boston Marathon. These things matter, even for non-elites!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/65051900

World Athletics has already ruled on this. Some overly woke marathon organisers have jumped the gun by being "inclusive".

A non-binary category is just another way to give more medals to men. If a woman wins it, it will be because the category is so small. If there are substantial numbers of “non-binary” runners, the fastest non-binary men will always beat the fastest non-binary women.

https://www.tcslondonmarathon.com/news-and-media/latest-news/2023-tcs-london-marathon-ballot-entry-to-include-non-binary-option

"The change is being introduced following an extensive review and consultation period by London Marathon Events (LME), organisers of the TCS London Marathon, as part of the work to make the event the most diverse, equitable and inclusive marathon in the world."

Equitable used to mean "fair and reasonable; treating everyone in an equal way".
(I must have missed the update to the OED.)

I don't care about a non-binary category as, to me, it's meaningless.

Equitable used to mean "fair and reasonable; treating everyone in an equal way".

Further than that, in modern parlance, equity generally means more than "treating everyone in an equal way."

https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-equity/

Equity” is often conflated with the term “Equality” which means sameness and assumes, incorrectly, that we all have had equal access, treatment, and outcomes. In fact, true equity implies that an individual may need to experience or receive something different (not equal) in order to maintain fairness and access. For example, a person with a wheelchair may need differential access to an elevator relative to someone else.

In this specific social sense, letting women have their own category is the epitome of "equity", whereas having men and women compete together in a non-binary category could be said to be mere "equality".

So they're actually totally and directly reversing equity for women (or females, or AFABs or whatever they want to call them) by this measure.

It's not the elite race, you're talking about the race where men and women already run against each other.

No. Everyone is on the course at the same time but there are age and sex categories. 70 year old women are not being measured against 25 year old men.

But the results are, or at least used to be, recorded under various categories based in sex and age.
Those results are as important to the non-elite runners as they are to the elite race participants. Those times and categories mean a lot to many club runners, for example.

Gender was never a category in the last, it was always sex.
Has this changed?
I know there is a new non-binary category, but ate the make/female categories now gender based, or sex based?

Normally I see GCs saying that they'd be happy for trans people to campaign for a third category in sport. The non-binary category is a third category so isn't that a good thing?

So is Glenique running as a woman or in the non binary category?

A non-binary category is just another way to give more medals to men. If a woman wins it, it will be because the category is so small. If there are substantial numbers of “non-binary” runners, the fastest non-binary men will always beat the fastest non-binary women.

Yes, they will, of course, but why is this important? It will only draw attention to the nonsense of such categories.

Why does it matter ffs how does it affect you, are you competing?

I think we should all stand up for the rights of women and girls in sports. I don’t need to have my skull crushed by Fallon Fox to think a woman fighting a man is unfair.

No such thing as society, only individuals, eh, Maggie?

Every level of sport is important to the person doing it. From a utilitarian point of view, non elite sport is more important because more people take part in it.

This is just another male overstepping women's boundaries. Enabled by others who disregard boundaries. Like an old boys network.

Anyone who puts chicken fillets in to run the marathon can contribute to the £50 sports bras I need for me to be able to run without my breasts causing significant pain. Actually, not for me, they can buy proper sports bras for the thousands of teenage girls who back quietly out of sports participation when their bodies change and the embarrassment and discomfort becomes overwhelming.

If the "nonbinary" category is mixed sex/all sexes (rather than exclusively for nonbinary people), that's great. But if the male and female categories are ALSO open/opt-in, that makes three "third categories", with natal men likely to win in each (all other things being equal). It's generally understandable how this is unfair and disproportionately punitive to women, especially when you take into account the reasons separate categories for women were introduced in the first place and are still needed.

Innit.

But too many people learn their politics from the USA.

He stumbled on his words about becoming a grandf... grandmother.

Why bother having the rankings separated by sex and age on their live feed?

No point.

A biological male could win 4 out the 5 categories, with the only protected category being elite women.