London marathon accepts trans women as women

[MrsJamin]

Runner Glenique Frank has just appeared on the BBC footage, clearly male, and has registered as a woman. Sure, he isn't getting a medal any time soon but how is this OK? And don't even get me started about the stupidity of a non binary category - sure fire way for a mediocre male to get a medal! Utterly pathetic.

Sick to the back teeth of these thieving chancers and our pandering institutions.

Get these horrible men out of women's spaces!

I have a GFA qualifying time for London next year, I'm desperate to do it, it's been a goal of mine for years. There are only 3000 places (plus approx 600-800 champs qualifiers). I don't want any of them taken by men. I literally stalk RunBritain rankings trying to find out how many women are likely to qualify and if I need to try and improve my time. So I care pretty fucking much about fairness in this.

The new ukA rules should make this impossible though? The London Marathon is a UKA licensed event and from 31 March trans women are not allowed in the women's category. So I hope anyone we saw at London was running in non binary or their correct sex category, otherwise they are breaking the rules.

The new ukA rules should make this impossible though? The London Marathon is a UKA licensed event and from 31 March trans women are not allowed in the women's category. So I hope anyone we saw at London was running in non binary or their correct sex category, otherwise they are breaking the rules.

Search on the results site under Event Mass, Gender Women -https://results.tcslondonmarathon.com/2023/?page=7&event=MAS&num_results=1000&pid=list&search%5Bsex%5D=W&search%5Bage_class%5D=%25

• there's Glenique Frank, Place (Overall) 21582, Place (Gender) 6160, Place (Category) 582.

Just checked, this minute.

That's just the individual who was on the TV. So who knows how many others there were.

But non binary is a choice, whether they feel it is or not

I'm not anti trans, but I am anti trans in sports that have a sex based advantage

I read into this a bit more and Glenique and a few others who ran in the female category at Manchester (including one who would have 'qualified' for GFA) are allowed to compete in these races under the transitional arrangements that UKA agreed -won't be the case for next year's marathons, though I don't know who will be policing it. You have to provide proof of age but you don't have to provide proof of sex because 'gender' on passport and driving license can be changed without a GRC. What a mess.

So how are the bodies that have ruled on transgender participants, such as UKA and IOC, going to check sex in future? If ID documents can be changed without a GRC. And what about where they are changed with a GRC?

As with every other situation, in reality it does not work.

The ability for falsifying legal documentation gives only the one option: to allow those who wish to do whatever they like to their own benefit, while completely fucking up the situation for everyone else beyond repair.

The Daily Mail have it as a story - easily googled. I think they've been reading some of the comments on here! 😉

The story has made The Telegraph - I hope Glenique is thoroughly ashamed and the BBC are questioning who decided to pick him to interview. Do we actually believe that this kind of cheating will stop now that apparently people have to be honest when applying to a marathon?

I don't think it would be the first time. A compliment, I suppose...

A friend of mine ran this year for a charity of another friend who died of cancer. She's in her late sixties and only took up running after retirement, she's amazing. It's so bloody unfair. Why isn't there a separate trans category, I understand that biological men would invariably win that category but it's surely better than them appearing as women on the statistics. My friend has finished a place lower because of Glen/Glenique.

Wonder if he's ever seen the Ed Wood film 'Glen or Glenda'...

People who say that places don't matter if you're not at the sharp end reveal just how little they think of amateur sport, particularly when the athletes involved are women.

I didn't start at the sharp end and I'm only just into the sharpish end now but I certainly wouldn't have got there if my achievements had been diluted and diminished at the outset. I only started seriously running training because I started to do a bit better in terms of placing/ranking and realised I could actually be competitive. It makes me so angry.

Surely it's simple. In exactly the same way as 'freestyle' in swimming is the crawl.

Make the 'men's' category an open category and the women's defined as for biological women (and AFAB NB people if that's how they would like to identify). Just like freestyle is always the crawl (because it's faster) the open category will always be won by biological men (because they're faster). But it affirms all the genders anyone wants to have affirmed.

I don't see any issues IF sport is about fair competition and inclusion. The IF is doing a lot of work in that sentence.

The women’s plus AFAB category would need to exclude women who have taken testosterone though. Those individuals could compete in the open or men’s category as they saw fit. Or start their own sporting events and competitions.

I mean essentially testosterone is doping so I don't even know if the open category is OK.

A two-time Olympian has ripped rules that allowed a transgender runner to beat nearly 14,000 women in the female category of the London Marathon.

Mara Yamauchi — who finished sixth in the marathon at the 2008 Beijing Olympics — lashed out after trans racer Glenique Frank, 54, gushed to the BBC about using “girl power” to run the key UK race on Sunday.

“Males in the [female] category is UNFAIR for females,” Yamauchi tweeted alongside a clip of the mid-race interview by the sports bra-wearing runner who also gushed about soon becoming “a gran.”

“Nearly 14,000 actual females suffered a worse finish position [because] of” Frank, wrote Yamauchi — who said that even when she was “ranked second in the world” as a woman, “at least 1300 men ran faster than me.”

She noted how UK Athletics applied World Athletics’ rules on the exclusion of transgender women from elite female competitions at the end of March to make it “fair for athletes who have gone through male puberty to be excluded from the female category in athletics.”

However, it allowed those who had already entered races to still compete in categories that were not their biological sex.

https://nypost.com/2023/04/25/trans-runner-glenique-frank-ripped-for-beating-14k-women-in-london-marathon/

With years of evolution and trouble shooting and systems like paralympic ones it may eventually work.

But yes. It will initially come from years of mess with beta male athletes and the occasional female with enough talent and normally illegal drugs on board. However good luck to them so long as the women's and men's races are left unmessed with while it evolves.

She finished 6,160th out of 20,123.

So what? Are the women coming 6159th and lower deserving of losing a place?

Nice that you think so.

What's your point?

Because the ranking in the male category would have been lower still but presumably that isn't important either. Take the rank your entitled to.

Read the thread Merlin. Stop diminishing women.

Glenique has apologized for running in the female category. She has offered to withdraw and give back her medal if they want her too.

She said that of the 18 marathons she registered for, 17 required you to use you rname and gender as listed on official ID but London left it open to choose your name and gender and so she thought it would be fun to do a race as a woman.

Oh good on her!

I don't think she needs to hand back the medal - she ran the distance. They just need to amend the results table.

"she thought it would be fun to do a race as a woman."

What I want to say would get me banned!

glen/ique has not really apologised for running as a woman. Glen/ique has apologised for running as a woman before surgery, and has undertaken not to run as a woman again before surgery