London marathon accepts trans women as women

[MrsJamin]

Runner Glenique Frank has just appeared on the BBC footage, clearly male, and has registered as a woman. Sure, he isn't getting a medal any time soon but how is this OK? And don't even get me started about the stupidity of a non binary category - sure fire way for a mediocre male to get a medal! Utterly pathetic.

Ah but the difference is that 70 year old runners, as a group, includes men who would be disadvantaged by you identifying into their category. So rest assured this won't happen.

Yes it's not ok

You can watch the segment from the BBC here twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1650133733796634625?t=LUzvxeQolV87uatncXDewQ&s=19 - thanks BBC for highlighting that a man shouldn't be running in the women's category. He ran Tokyo with the identifier for gender/sex as women/women under the name Glen Frank! CHEAT.

Club runners very often care, even if they aren't in the top 10 elite.

It's also the "girl" thing again. Since when has someone in their 50s been a girl? I don't think any middle aged women would go on about "girl power".

What about someone dressed as a dinosaur. Should they be allowed to run as a non-binary dinosaur.

I'm finding it so depressing that the London Marathon organisers would allow this. All those women pushed down a place in ranking, it would really take the shine off the event if it were me.

Do you think they know, though? Don't you just fill out a form online?

Why can’t the “non-binary” race be a “gender diverse” category. That way all the women taking testosterone and the mediocre men with special identities can run in a separate category.

Placing males in women’s prisons because they say they are women doesn’t affect me as I’m no in a prison.
There is significant prize money to be won in the London Marathon. The winner of each sex category will receive over £44k. But the top 10 in each sex category also receive prize money, with bonuses for men who run in under 2.02.00 hours, whilst for the females its 2.17.30 hours. This year, 20 males ran faster than the fastest female. If half of those males decided to identify as female, then only males would have won any prize money. I’m sure even you can see how unfair that would be.

isn't non binary literally neither one thing or the other?

Glen ran in the male category less than six months ago, in New York City.

I’m so fed up of all of this. Why are we letting this happen? To ‘be kind’? No, because women are socially conditioned not to stick our heads above the parapet and speak up.

Unless they are elite runners who are getting a space based on times in previous races, why does it matter? You run for yourself, there's no need for them to even ask for sec or gender for funrunners

Most people running are looking at the personal best not where they finished once you get past about 3.5 hours, (my friend is a club runner and ran 2 hrs 49 last time he ran london)

Is this a justification for men in the women's race?

A non-runner betrays their lack of knowledge in a meagre two sentences.

There's more grades than 'fun runner' and 'Paula Radcliffe'. To club runners, accurate stats and fair competition matter.

it matters hugely because you compare yourself to others in your category, no women want to have men in that mix, messing up all the placings and stats for them

Pretty sure you just fill in a forn to enter the ballot for a place.

Do the organisers have any way of knowing what an entrant's biological sex is, as opposed to what is ticked on the form?

If not, the results for the mass race are meaningless.

Try reading the thread.

I hope the Boston marathon organisers don’t put up with this nonsense!

Glen's time will have been compared to women going through the menopause. The difference in marathon running times between men and women are even higher the older you are. I'm just incensed by the audacity of the man.

He didn't qualify for a woman's space in Boston, thankfully. He'd have needed 3:55 for his age group. He could always opt to be trans-age and identify as a 65 year old woman to qualify - surely that's OK, right?

Obviously likes the original name, which was presumably Glen, and has feminised it. Seems pretty harmless in the grander scale of things. Glenda is not the prettiest name around, I wouldn’t change my name to that given the choice. Would you prefer Glenrietta? Glendoline? Glenivieve?

Honestly, taking the piss out of the name is just a bit catty, and off-topic.

Do we know if London Marathon are letting trans women qualify for Good For Age places based on women’s qualifying times? There are only 3000 female Good For Age places which are allocated fastest first (and 3000 male Good For Age places). If trans women are accepted based on female qualifying times this would put biological females at a significant disadvantage when trying to qualify (as obviously someone biologically male has many physiological advantages when it comes to running).

As a female GFA runner this would be a significant issue for me. My husband regularly jokes he could easily qualify if he only had to run the women’s times. It’s scary to think he could identify as a woman for the day and qualify taking a space from a woman.