Twitter removes policy against deadnaming and misgendering transgender people

[DerekFaker]

He's gone and done it, the mad lad 😮

https://apnews.com/article/twitter-elon-musk-transgender-deadnaming-hateful-conduct-ae1b7285bb906e04b26ff9751ec0c2ce?utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Twitter has quietly removed a policy against the “targeted misgendering or deadnaming of transgender individuals,” raising concerns that the Elon Musk-owned platform is becoming less safe for marginalized groups.

Twitter enacted the policy against deadnaming, or using a transgender person’s name before they transitioned, as well as purposefully using the wrong gender for someone as a form of harassment, in 2018.

On Monday, Twitter also said it will only put warning labels on some tweets that are “potentially” in violation of its rules against hateful conduct. Previously, the tweets were removed.

It was in this policy update that Twitter appears to have deleted the line against deadnaming from its rules.

“Twitter’s decision to covertly roll back its longtime policy is the latest example of just how unsafe the company is for users and advertisers alike,” said Sarah Kate Ellis, the president and CEO of the advocacy group GLAAD. “This decision to roll back LGBTQ safety pulls Twitter even more out of step with TikTok, Pinterest, and Meta, which all maintain similar policies to protect their transgender users at a time when anti-transgender rhetoric online is leading to real world discrimination and violence.”

Twitter did immediately respond to a message for comment Tuesday.

"less safe" - hmmm. I wonder if Henrietta Freeman (a severely disabled non verbal woman) feels more safe now that some random bloke can rock up in her house late at night and provide intimate care just because he calls himself a woman.
Look her up on Twitter. She may be non-verbal but she's a Twitter badass.

You know, a member of the ACTUALLY most marginalised group in society.

I can only think of two well known transwomen on Twitter who don't go round disrespecting women.

People aren't talking about the gay, fey friend they've known since clubbing days.

Plus, it's not a rule! They're not saying you must misgender people or deadname people. They're saying you can't be compelled not to. You can't be compelled to refute the evidence of your own eyes for fear of being sanctioned.

If you can't understand, that after eight odd years, women are happy that finally they cannot be punished for identifying men as men, then may I suggest you attempt to drag your eyes off the men in question for one bloody nanosecond and focus on the women instead?

Also @NotAnotherBathBomb do you realise that many of these men are autogynephiles?

Autogynephilia (AGP) is a fetish where a man presenting as a woman is sexually arousing. And that includes people using female pronouns for him, and calling him by a female name.

If you haven't come across it, you might want to look at the five thousand (and counting) posts from the women who call themselves transwidows on this very site.

It will give you an insight from the women who are actually at the coalface.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4236287-trans-widows-escape-committee-5-and-so-it-continues?page=1

And while I'm at it, can you imagine my post above if I had to say, and that includes using a female pronoun for her and a female name for her?

you'd be thinking, well so?

Yes I'm familiar with the term, through MN. But trans people also consist of transmen, who also have underlying issues of their own (autism etc). They too are against deadnaming.

I also mentioned above, I know someone who changed her birth name as part of distancing herself form the SA that went ignored and unacknowledged in her family. She doesn't give people her birth name, and I don't have a right to know it. I would never dream of using it if I did. And I think that anyone who knew her before who intentionally, repeatedly referred to her by her deadname was a cunt.

So, unless they're accused of criminal activity, I'd call someone by the name they went by.

If you can't understand, that after eight odd years, women are happy that finally they cannot be punished for identifying men as men, then may I suggest you attempt to drag your eyes off the men in question for one bloody nanosecond and focus on the women instead?

Wouldn't that make a welcome change @Datun ?

The point that seems to be sailing right over your head @NotAnotherBathBomb is that situations where someone is giving death threats, or is a violent rapist. (your words) required posters, mainly women, not to correctly name and sex those people because those people had the special caste status of trans. If they did they would be banned from Twitter, this new guideline is merely re-balancing, posters will not be forced or compelled to use language the TRAs want.

Chris Chan - a TW who (allegedly) raped his dementia suffering mother - horrific right @NotAnotherBathBomb ? Guess what caused the most horror amongst trans people on Twitter? Not the crime but the fact that this person was 'misgendered' and their birth name used when discussing the case. Don't tell me to be kind and respectful to the sort of people who would place 'misgendering' above the horrific rape of a dementia suffering 79 year old woman.

I addressed this in a previous post. I don't believe that they should be referred to by their 'female' names; they are not women. They are not even trans women.

However the blanket rule opens up more than just these sick perverts to harassment. My other examples keep sailing over yours and other PP head.

Why aren't they trans women? Trans women can't commit crimes?

Some of them may be pretending, but all of them?

Disingenuous.

Making it an either/or between someone who's been subjected to sex abuse, and someone who's a criminal is a bad faith, not to mention stupid, argument.

And despite your judicious use of women who identify as men, you are still failing, quite clearly, to drag your eyes of the men in this equation.

Only now I think it's deliberate.

I addressed this in a previous post. I don't believe that they should be referred to by their 'female' names; they are not women. They are not even trans women.

But the point you are missing is that if posters failed to do so they were mass reported and banned from Twitter, doesn't matter what you believe you would be compelled to use their 'female' names if you wanted to remain on Twitter. That shouldn't happen under this new rule.

They are not even trans women.

Ah the 'No true Scotsman' trope. Funny how a person is who/what they say they are and acceptance without exception becomes a moveable feast when it proves inconvenient.

However the blanket rule opens up more than just these sick perverts to harassment.

We'll see won't we? Hopefully, those who correctly identify these perverts won't be subjected to threats, harassed, abused and banned from Twitter for stating facts and refusing to bow down to the sacred caste as has happened previously.

The thing is NotAnotherBathBomb, neither you nor anyone else can say who is genuine or not. And what is genuine? They genuinely want to be known by the opposite sex pronoun? So?

There is no way of policing this so the 'nice guys' are dealt with differently.

And even nice guys can be sexist twats.

A woman is forced call her rapist she? What if that rapist transitioned 30 years ago? Look at Jan Morris. Well known and feted adventurer. Treated his family like shit and was clearly AGP.

Women must be allowed to correctly identify the male sex without fear of sanctions or punishment.

It's misogynistic to think otherwise.

The recently publicised cases involved men who ‘transitioned’ only after being charged. I’m not aware of loads of similar cases, most of my knowledge of them comes from MN.

And women who’ve escape their abusive families and have cut all ties with them by changing their name should be allowed to post on Twitter without being dead named. It’s misogynistic to think otherwise 🙄

’Deadname’? Does anyone use that term for their birth name/old name who isn’t trans?

The recently publicised cases involved men who ‘transitioned’ only after being charged.

why is transitioned in quotes? Could you possibly be casting doubt on the true womanly feelings held by these poor maligned males? Either you believe TWAW and these people are trans, or you believe that TWANW and males will claim to be women for nefarious reasons, which should be pointed out public ally no?

Well you need to look further afield, in that case. The well known Swedish study concluded that transwomen, those who have had surgery, and what you would call genuine, conform to male pattern violence.

Men commit 98% of all sex crimes. It doesn't matter if they have transitioned, or not.

And no-one is going to call a woman who has name changed to flee sexual abuse by her previous name.

This is about male dominance being facilitated by misogynistic Twitter rules.

Everyone operates now on self-ID rules meaning anyone who says they are trans is now immediately trans without questions and also retrospectively. It's transphobic to deny someone their identity.

So there is no such thing as "transititioned" there is only transitioned.

How do we tell the "real" transwomen from the men who "are at it", to quote the new first minister of Scotland? Is there a reliable way of distinguishing between a man pretending to be a woman and a man pretending to be pretending to be a woman? If there is, I'm sure we're all ears!

Absolutely this 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Will this lead to LinkedIn removing pronouns ? Some people might find their employability improved ....

Are you aware that this example is part of a tactic often used by TRAs to muddy the waters?

I think this is great.

We've been tricked into thinking it is unkind or cruel or nasty to tell the truth. Just because someone doesn't like what you're saying doesn't mean it is cruel. If you take steps which require everyone else to join in with your fiction, you can't complain if they don't. Stay off Twitter, would be my suggestion.

Misgendering is a nonsense offence which was invented to make it harder to talk about a person's sex. Their "gender" is neither here nor there. They should accept that when we say man (or woman) we are using the words in the sense we have used them for time immemorial.
In sex and gender discussions, the sex of the speaker is nearly always going to be relevant.
Calling someone a man is not an insult, it's not even intended as an insult if that person is a man. There would be no need to keep mentioning it if he didn't keep asserting or implying he was a woman and he had not taken a female name.

A deadname is just a person's previous name - the word "dead" is just emotional blackmail, to make it seem like a bad thing to use it. Sometimes it will be useful to know.
A SA or DV survivor has not changed her name in order to conceal her sex. In the case of women who claim to be men, adopting a trans identity can be a coping mechanism for SA survivors so I have a lot of sympathy, but I won't tiptoe around reality if it's necessary to assert it.

There absolutely are men's names and women's names, as well as unisex names. That is why so many people change their name to one associated with the opposite sex when they adopt an identity.

raising concerns that the Elon Musk-owned platform is becoming less safe for marginalized groups.
I think we need to have a very hard discussion about the word 'safe'.
'Less safe' is the rising VAWG homicides we saw in Covid, or the increasing sexual assaults reported in schools. Or the women and children targeted in the numerous war zones across the world.
Or sure, actual threats of violence online.
It's sure as fuck not having some rando using 'he' instead of 'she' on twitter.
You'd have to live in one huge ivory tower for that to register as a problem.
In their own language, they need to 'check their privilege' because being 'less safe' is an actual thing that means actual lack of safety, not being butthurt because someone called you 'Dave'.

It's not 'harassment' to refer to a man as he,even if he is wearing a comedy wig and an entire tube of Rouge D'Armani.