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Twitter removes policy against deadnaming and misgendering transgender people

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DerekFaker · 18/04/2023 22:24

He's gone and done it, the mad lad 😮

https://apnews.com/article/twitter-elon-musk-transgender-deadnaming-hateful-conduct-ae1b7285bb906e04b26ff9751ec0c2ce?utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Twitter has quietly removed a policy against the “targeted misgendering or deadnaming of transgender individuals,” raising concerns that the Elon Musk-owned platform is becoming less safe for marginalized groups.

Twitter enacted the policy against deadnaming, or using a transgender person’s name before they transitioned, as well as purposefully using the wrong gender for someone as a form of harassment, in 2018.

On Monday, Twitter also said it will only put warning labels on some tweets that are “potentially” in violation of its rules against hateful conduct. Previously, the tweets were removed.

It was in this policy update that Twitter appears to have deleted the line against deadnaming from its rules.

“Twitter’s decision to covertly roll back its longtime policy is the latest example of just how unsafe the company is for users and advertisers alike,” said Sarah Kate Ellis, the president and CEO of the advocacy group GLAAD. “This decision to roll back LGBTQ safety pulls Twitter even more out of step with TikTok, Pinterest, and Meta, which all maintain similar policies to protect their transgender users at a time when anti-transgender rhetoric online is leading to real world discrimination and violence.”

Twitter did immediately respond to a message for comment Tuesday.

Twitter removes policy against deadnaming transgender people

Twitter has quietly removed a policy against the “targeted misgendering or deadnaming of transgender individuals.” The move is raising concerns that the Elon Musk-owned platform is becoming less safe for marginalized groups. Twitter enacted the policy...

https://apnews.com/article/twitter-elon-musk-transgender-deadnaming-hateful-conduct-ae1b7285bb906e04b26ff9751ec0c2ce

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mateysmum · 19/04/2023 10:34

Amazing how the meaning of "safe" seems to have been completely redefined.

Bit like the meaning of "woman"

Not that I'm suggesting any link between the two of course - not m, no never, honest😉

Pixiedust1234 · 19/04/2023 13:55

I think people have forgotten that women as a class have been dead named/wrong named for decades. How many unmarried women are referred to as Mrs w/e as its been assumed they have taken over the fathers name, how many divorced women have to jump through hoops for institutions to change their name properly, how many married women have envelopes addressed to them using their husbands first name, ie Mrs Peter w/e. We still have HRH Princess Michael of Kent for instance.

Banks, Schools, Councils etc all do this. I don't recall any mass cancelling of these institutions for being so mean to women 👀

And when a person sporting a full beard, 6ft with a male physic demands to have she/her then no, my brain cannot handle that. You can ask but you cannot demand.

Pixiedust1234 · 19/04/2023 13:58

physique *

WickedSerious · 19/04/2023 14:33

AnythingToSay · 18/04/2023 22:29

Oh dear, what a shame.

Indeed,poor darlings.

Datun · 19/04/2023 14:40

Clymene · 19/04/2023 07:54

Good. There are people who spend their days trawling Twitter for wrongthink and mass reporting them. Quite a few of them do the same on MN.

I wonder if Musk has read Barracker's excellent article? Here it is, if you haven't read it

fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

This. Barra Kerr wrote about pronouns being like Rohypnol, in that they alter your sense of perception. Which they do, of course.

So does make up, surgery, and names too.

Men banging on about why women should shut up about this, that and the other, and why these men must come in to women's changing rooms where women and girls are disrobing, when they've gone out of their way to try and appear female, is misleading. It kids the brain into an acceptance that it would otherwise not have.

If men don't do those things, then fine, I don't suppose anyone is going to go out of their way to deadname them.

But when they do, in order to force compliance from women, then absolutely, women should be able to speak freely.

All you have to do is take a look at the rabid fury that some men fly into if a woman dares to point out reality or have a boundary.

And then, of course, there is the small matter of being forced into participating in someone's sexual fetish. No thanks.

It's ridiculous that we're even grateful for it, to be honest. It should never have happened in the first place, that you're not allowed to correctly identify men as men!

Good.

Paperbagsaremine · 19/04/2023 14:50

NotHavingIt · 19/04/2023 09:25

The Elon Musk show on BBC I player shows him to be a complex, unusual and interesting character; and being autistic he does not have the filters that most do.

Perhaps more to the point, being very very very VERY rich, he doesn't need to have much of a filter.
As long as he's not going around committing serious crimes against the person (in which case it would be prudent to not blab about it) ... he can pretty much say what he wants. Take the financial hit or pay lawyers to make it go away.

Makes you realise how much "shame" is really about making your vulnerability public when you don't have enough power to protect yourself from people exploiting it.

buckeejit · 19/04/2023 15:58

I wish I knew why Twitter have permanently suspended me. 99% sure I haven't even tweet, just liked others tweets. They won't even tell me what I've done!

Twitter removes policy against deadnaming and misgendering transgender people
NotHavingIt · 19/04/2023 16:14

Paperbagsaremine · 19/04/2023 14:50

Perhaps more to the point, being very very very VERY rich, he doesn't need to have much of a filter.
As long as he's not going around committing serious crimes against the person (in which case it would be prudent to not blab about it) ... he can pretty much say what he wants. Take the financial hit or pay lawyers to make it go away.

Makes you realise how much "shame" is really about making your vulnerability public when you don't have enough power to protect yourself from people exploiting it.

The sort of filter I'm referring to comes on account of his autism. This was very apparent when watching The Elon Musk show. Emotions sre right at the surface and he speaks in a very honest and straightforward way without putting any spin on it.

Datun · 19/04/2023 17:34

Is this ruling what India Willoughby was talking about? saying it's genocide?

These people are incapable of hearing what other people hear.

EmotionalSupportHyena · 19/04/2023 17:53

Pixiedust1234 · 19/04/2023 13:55

I think people have forgotten that women as a class have been dead named/wrong named for decades. How many unmarried women are referred to as Mrs w/e as its been assumed they have taken over the fathers name, how many divorced women have to jump through hoops for institutions to change their name properly, how many married women have envelopes addressed to them using their husbands first name, ie Mrs Peter w/e. We still have HRH Princess Michael of Kent for instance.

Banks, Schools, Councils etc all do this. I don't recall any mass cancelling of these institutions for being so mean to women 👀

And when a person sporting a full beard, 6ft with a male physic demands to have she/her then no, my brain cannot handle that. You can ask but you cannot demand.

I’ve been married 3 times but have stuck with ‘Ms Birth Name-Firsthusbandname’
the whole way through.

You should see the hilarious variety of names on the Xmas card envelopes! My best friend usually goes for a comedy combo eg ‘Lady Hyena Triple-Barrell-Name’ but elderly rellies will Mrs Secondhusband or Mrs Thirdhusband or Miss Birthname seemingly at random.

Luckily being called the wrong name or title isn’t literal violence and I am unharmed by the experience.

nepeta · 19/04/2023 18:10

buckeejit · 19/04/2023 15:58

I wish I knew why Twitter have permanently suspended me. 99% sure I haven't even tweet, just liked others tweets. They won't even tell me what I've done!

I have no special expertise on this, but some time ago I read that Twitter was removing robot accounts. Yours might have accidentally been removed in one of those sweeps, especially if you never tweeted.

nepeta · 19/04/2023 18:13

The Twitter rules before this clearly privileged some groups over other groups. For instance, there was a way to complain about various harassment types on the basis of the target's membership in other demographic groups, but not on the basis of sex.

So misogyny, alone, was not sufficient, whereas other -isms were deemed to be enough.

RoyalCorgi · 19/04/2023 18:33

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/04/2023 10:27

It’s crass to insist on using the wrong name for someone because you know better than them what their name should be

but being a dick shouldn’t be against the rules. The crime is already the punishment

Is it, though? When you look at some of these individuals, they get a kick out of requiring other people to treat them as female. So it's not a neutral act. Suppose Rhys McKinnon had changed his name to John McKinnon, well, that's fine - I'll call him John. But calling himself Veronica Ivy? I'm not going to be complicit in that.

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Datun · 19/04/2023 19:49

RoyalCorgi · 19/04/2023 18:33

Is it, though? When you look at some of these individuals, they get a kick out of requiring other people to treat them as female. So it's not a neutral act. Suppose Rhys McKinnon had changed his name to John McKinnon, well, that's fine - I'll call him John. But calling himself Veronica Ivy? I'm not going to be complicit in that.

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Exactly. Rhys picked a first name and second name that would both be a woman's name. Forcing people to refer to him as female.

Nah.

ReadersD1gest · 19/04/2023 19:51

Never was the word "unsafe" so badly misused. Or have I missed something and it actually means something completely different now? 🙄

Baldieheid · 19/04/2023 20:07

ReadersD1gest · 19/04/2023 19:51

Never was the word "unsafe" so badly misused. Or have I missed something and it actually means something completely different now? 🙄

Oh yes, it has changed meanings.

It now means "You are not doing what I want you to do, I shall therefore wail and stomp my foot whilst blubbering until all my fwends shout at you loydly enough till we all MAKE you do what I want".

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/04/2023 21:00

I'd be wild west every time.

It is already the Wild West for women, so I'm not all that fussed about whether male feelings and egos are affected. As a pp said, it's liberating not to participate in societal gaslighting. The offended are free to block me.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/04/2023 21:04

Well, no. I'm not going to be complicit in that.

Quite.

OneMorePlant · 19/04/2023 21:08
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Policy change huh?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/04/2023 21:13

RoyalCorgi · 19/04/2023 18:33

Is it, though? When you look at some of these individuals, they get a kick out of requiring other people to treat them as female. So it's not a neutral act. Suppose Rhys McKinnon had changed his name to John McKinnon, well, that's fine - I'll call him John. But calling himself Veronica Ivy? I'm not going to be complicit in that.

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I don't believe there's any such thing as women's names and men's though

if a chap wants to be called veronica, or ivy or indeed bob i'll cheerfully call him that. it's really no skin off my nose

i won't pretend he's not a chap, obviously

others can insist on using the wrong names for people, that's fine. they'll think they're right and i'll think they're churlish. it's all fine

TheBiologyStupid · 19/04/2023 21:47

RoyalCorgi · 19/04/2023 18:33

Is it, though? When you look at some of these individuals, they get a kick out of requiring other people to treat them as female. So it's not a neutral act. Suppose Rhys McKinnon had changed his name to John McKinnon, well, that's fine - I'll call him John. But calling himself Veronica Ivy? I'm not going to be complicit in that.

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And, of course, Rachel McKinnon, in between. I'm not sure what drives the high level of name changes in this group of people.

TheBiologyStupid · 19/04/2023 21:49

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What's that? Didn't change the pronouns, as far as I can see...

Gothambutnotahamster · 19/04/2023 22:16

It's great that the truth can finally be spoken on Twitter now.

Florissante · 20/04/2023 06:50

We still have HRH Princess Michael of Kent for instance.

Poor example. Marie Christine married the younger son of a peer. When this happens, the wife is always known by her husband's title.

Wanderingowl · 20/04/2023 09:53

Florissante · 20/04/2023 06:50

We still have HRH Princess Michael of Kent for instance.

Poor example. Marie Christine married the younger son of a peer. When this happens, the wife is always known by her husband's title.

Michael of Kent actually isn't a peer, prince is his only title. And in British royalty any princess through marriage, except the Princess of Wales, can only use the princess title under her husband's name. So Marie Christine actively chooses Michael to be her official name so that she is recognised as a princess. Obviously being known as a princess was more important to her than being known as Lady Marie Christine.

Meghan could technically choose to be styled Princess Henry of Wales, as Harry is a prince of Wales. The sexism in the system isn't in the naming of the princesses by marriage. But in that a born princess can't pass the prince title on to her husband. So Anne's husbands could never have chosen to be styled as Prince Anne.