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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Twitter removes policy against deadnaming and misgendering transgender people

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DerekFaker · 18/04/2023 22:24

He's gone and done it, the mad lad 😮

https://apnews.com/article/twitter-elon-musk-transgender-deadnaming-hateful-conduct-ae1b7285bb906e04b26ff9751ec0c2ce?utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Twitter has quietly removed a policy against the “targeted misgendering or deadnaming of transgender individuals,” raising concerns that the Elon Musk-owned platform is becoming less safe for marginalized groups.

Twitter enacted the policy against deadnaming, or using a transgender person’s name before they transitioned, as well as purposefully using the wrong gender for someone as a form of harassment, in 2018.

On Monday, Twitter also said it will only put warning labels on some tweets that are “potentially” in violation of its rules against hateful conduct. Previously, the tweets were removed.

It was in this policy update that Twitter appears to have deleted the line against deadnaming from its rules.

“Twitter’s decision to covertly roll back its longtime policy is the latest example of just how unsafe the company is for users and advertisers alike,” said Sarah Kate Ellis, the president and CEO of the advocacy group GLAAD. “This decision to roll back LGBTQ safety pulls Twitter even more out of step with TikTok, Pinterest, and Meta, which all maintain similar policies to protect their transgender users at a time when anti-transgender rhetoric online is leading to real world discrimination and violence.”

Twitter did immediately respond to a message for comment Tuesday.

Twitter removes policy against deadnaming transgender people

Twitter has quietly removed a policy against the “targeted misgendering or deadnaming of transgender individuals.” The move is raising concerns that the Elon Musk-owned platform is becoming less safe for marginalized groups. Twitter enacted the policy...

https://apnews.com/article/twitter-elon-musk-transgender-deadnaming-hateful-conduct-ae1b7285bb906e04b26ff9751ec0c2ce

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Florissante · 20/04/2023 10:03

Wanderingowl · 20/04/2023 09:53

Michael of Kent actually isn't a peer, prince is his only title. And in British royalty any princess through marriage, except the Princess of Wales, can only use the princess title under her husband's name. So Marie Christine actively chooses Michael to be her official name so that she is recognised as a princess. Obviously being known as a princess was more important to her than being known as Lady Marie Christine.

Meghan could technically choose to be styled Princess Henry of Wales, as Harry is a prince of Wales. The sexism in the system isn't in the naming of the princesses by marriage. But in that a born princess can't pass the prince title on to her husband. So Anne's husbands could never have chosen to be styled as Prince Anne.

Prince Michael of Kent is the son of a peer (the late Duke of Kent), as per my post.

The only way that Meghan would be Princess Harry would be if Harry had not been styled the Duke of Sussex upon his marriage.

NotAnotherBathBomb · 20/04/2023 10:07

This is so nasty. There are many trans people who know their biological sex, would it kill you to call them by their desired name?

If someone who isn't trans changed their name for personal reasons (I knew someone who did it after prolonged SA by a close member of her family and didn't want to be associated with them anymore), would you continue to intentionally call them by their birth name?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 20/04/2023 10:17

NotAnotherBathBomb · 20/04/2023 10:07

This is so nasty. There are many trans people who know their biological sex, would it kill you to call them by their desired name?

If someone who isn't trans changed their name for personal reasons (I knew someone who did it after prolonged SA by a close member of her family and didn't want to be associated with them anymore), would you continue to intentionally call them by their birth name?

Call them by their chosen name? Yes

collude with the pretence that being called by something other than their chosen name constitutes some kind of tragedy? No

NotAnotherBathBomb · 20/04/2023 10:24

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 20/04/2023 10:17

Call them by their chosen name? Yes

collude with the pretence that being called by something other than their chosen name constitutes some kind of tragedy? No

Ok because this thread is celebrating the fact that they can openly misgender and misname someone and I don’t get the joy.

I’m GC but threads like these really dishearten me because I can respect people that I don’t want to share a changing room with.

Florissante · 20/04/2023 10:44

NotAnotherBathBomb · 20/04/2023 10:24

Ok because this thread is celebrating the fact that they can openly misgender and misname someone and I don’t get the joy.

I’m GC but threads like these really dishearten me because I can respect people that I don’t want to share a changing room with.

Respect goes both ways.

FrostyFifi · 20/04/2023 10:49

NotAnotherBathBomb it's more that it removes a mass reporting tool that has been used against GC accounts. That's what there is to celebrate.

Datun · 20/04/2023 10:57

NotAnotherBathBomb · 20/04/2023 10:24

Ok because this thread is celebrating the fact that they can openly misgender and misname someone and I don’t get the joy.

I’m GC but threads like these really dishearten me because I can respect people that I don’t want to share a changing room with.

Respecting someone you don't want to share a changing room with is totally normal. Respecting someone who forces you to share it with them anyway, isn't.

Pootlie · 20/04/2023 11:01

I'm glad about the change. Not gleeful or triumphant.

I don't want to have to lie. I don't want it to be normalised that I have to pretend a man is a woman.

I don't want gender critical men and women to be hounded and criminalised for telling the truth.

I can't imagine that I would ever be rude to anyone that I met in person or online. But nor do I have to pretend that they have changed sex.

Datun · 20/04/2023 11:03

I just like to add, when did respect become something that was the default for everyone? I don't go around considering that I actually respect everybody.

I have a neutral feeling for most people, which will be swayed one way or the other depending on their actions.

I understood that most people viewed respect to something that has to be earned. Not that something is the default.

Like a lot of language, it appears to becoming a concept that people feel they deserve, irrespective of what they do or say.

I don't agree with transgenderism. I think even at its most harmless, it's sexist. I have no respect for it at all.

GailBlancheViola · 20/04/2023 11:07

NotAnotherBathBomb · 20/04/2023 10:07

This is so nasty. There are many trans people who know their biological sex, would it kill you to call them by their desired name?

If someone who isn't trans changed their name for personal reasons (I knew someone who did it after prolonged SA by a close member of her family and didn't want to be associated with them anymore), would you continue to intentionally call them by their birth name?

Yes it would kill me to refer to rapists and dangerous predators who are well aware of their sex by their desired name and pronouns, previously on Twitter correctly naming and sexing these people would lead to a person being banned from the site.

Yes I am happy that this state of affairs has changed, if it upsets those trans people who are not rapists and predators then maybe they should have thought about what they were sanctioning.

GailBlancheViola · 20/04/2023 11:13

I agree with you @Datun.

Wanderingowl · 20/04/2023 12:06

Florissante · 20/04/2023 10:03

Prince Michael of Kent is the son of a peer (the late Duke of Kent), as per my post.

The only way that Meghan would be Princess Harry would be if Harry had not been styled the Duke of Sussex upon his marriage.

Harry is still Prince Henry of Wales, even with the Duke of Sussex title and Meghan is a princess of the royal family with an entitlement to be styled Princess Henry of Wales if she really, really wanted. It's would just be a very unusual thing to do and could well result in them being financially penalised. As I think it's obvious that the Queen wouldn't have wanted it and nor would Charles.

Ingenieur · 20/04/2023 12:07

NotAnotherBathBomb · 20/04/2023 10:24

Ok because this thread is celebrating the fact that they can openly misgender and misname someone and I don’t get the joy.

I’m GC but threads like these really dishearten me because I can respect people that I don’t want to share a changing room with.

A right that isn't exercised is no right at all. It's not a celebration, it's a release of all the speech that has been building up for years

RaininginDarling · 20/04/2023 12:13

Totally agree, @Datun

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 20/04/2023 12:21

NotAnotherBathBomb · 20/04/2023 10:24

Ok because this thread is celebrating the fact that they can openly misgender and misname someone and I don’t get the joy.

I’m GC but threads like these really dishearten me because I can respect people that I don’t want to share a changing room with.

I’m with you

I think using something other than their chosen name to address someone is rude

I also think that being rude shouldn’t be against the rules, and most other cases of similar rudeness aren’t against the rules on twitter

this just makes things fairer

being subjected to rudeness isn’t very nice, but it’s not a life altering tragedy

Pixiedust1234 · 20/04/2023 12:28

Florissante · 20/04/2023 06:50

We still have HRH Princess Michael of Kent for instance.

Poor example. Marie Christine married the younger son of a peer. When this happens, the wife is always known by her husband's title.

Perhaps it was. I was trying to get across that deadnaming is not really a thing as women, throughout time, always have their names messed around with and we don't complain if we are called the wrong one. But Trans say its a really really bad thing to do and we need to make laws etc, but we say " meh" and shrug.

PorcelinaV · 20/04/2023 12:54

NotAnotherBathBomb · 20/04/2023 10:24

Ok because this thread is celebrating the fact that they can openly misgender and misname someone and I don’t get the joy.

I’m GC but threads like these really dishearten me because I can respect people that I don’t want to share a changing room with.

Are people really celebrating that they "get to be rude", or rather that they don't have to deal with biased censorship?

I don't know how strict Twitter were, but it wouldn't surprise me if you could get in trouble merely for using the "wrong" pronouns when you weren't even directly speaking to someone. Even if you are speaking to someone, is it really rudeness to correctly use the English language? I think it's borderline and people may disagree over whether this is disrespectful or not.

If we go down this path, do we have to learn everyone's neo-pronouns that reflect how they feel on any particular day?

Also when it comes to being rude, I mean if one side is making threats, trying to de-platform you and censor you, is "no debate", throwing vile slurs at you, maybe they don't always deserve the courtesy of using their preferred pronouns.

Datun · 20/04/2023 13:12

Megan Murphy was banned from Twitter for saying 'that's him' in relation to Yaniv who wanted to help 10 year olds with their tampons, photographed himself in the ladies and took a WOC to court for not waxing his penis.

She was the first in a depressingly long line of women banned for speaking.

Twitter regs have been stacked against women in the most egregious way imaginable.

Setting that to right isn't 'joy at the opportunity to be rude' ffs.

It's the lifting of a disgustingly misogynistic rule designed to make women comply with their own oppression.

TheBiologyStupid · 20/04/2023 16:03

Very well said, Datun.

Ofcourseshecan · 20/04/2023 16:50

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Twitter has quietly removed a policy against the “targeted misgendering or deadnaming of transgender individuals,” raising concerns that the Elon Musk-owned platform is becoming less safe for marginalized groups.

I’m quietly grieving. AP used to be a reputable news agency. I’d be inclined to believe anything they reported. Now it’s so biased that it considers stating a fact is dangerous.

One of the many harms caused by genderism is the loss of journalistic integrity.

FrostyFifi · 20/04/2023 16:59

"Less safe". Ffs. Just log out if it bothers you. I actually find the whole pretense that words are unsafe so offensive given what women and children actually have to content with in physical reality.

NotAnotherBathBomb · 20/04/2023 17:21

Florissante · 20/04/2023 10:44

Respect goes both ways.

yes, and you don't have to show respect for someone disrespecting you. But this rule isn't specific to situations where someone is giving death threats, or is a violent rapist.

It's a blanket rule and twitter can make whatever rules they want, but as I keep saying it's the fact that its being celebrated.

It isn't just trans people who change their names and don't like being dead-named. and with trans people, there are many who just want to live their lives in peace and aren't attacking anyone who want to be called by their name.

Florissante · 20/04/2023 17:23

NotAnotherBathBomb · 20/04/2023 17:21

yes, and you don't have to show respect for someone disrespecting you. But this rule isn't specific to situations where someone is giving death threats, or is a violent rapist.

It's a blanket rule and twitter can make whatever rules they want, but as I keep saying it's the fact that its being celebrated.

It isn't just trans people who change their names and don't like being dead-named. and with trans people, there are many who just want to live their lives in peace and aren't attacking anyone who want to be called by their name.

Yes yes. And they just want to use toilets like anyone else.

Yawn.

Jonei · 20/04/2023 17:25

Oh dear, what a shame. Oh well.

Fairislefandango · 20/04/2023 17:51

Ok because this thread is celebrating the fact that they can openly misgender and misname someone and I don’t get the joy.

This thread is celebrating the fact that people will no longer (on Twitter, at least) be compelled to use someone's new name/pronoun, or presumably be deleted or banned by forgetting to use it. Being glad about that does not necessarily mean you actually want to rush around on Twitter 'deadnaming' people just in order to offend them.