Starmer insults women’s intelligence to blame Sunak for judicial failures when it was Starmer’s CPS that failed to prosecute rapists

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I am so fed up with politicians and their seedy bully boy tactics.

So Starmer having failed to get personal approval from voters who rate Sunak higher than him, doesn't think maybe I should try harder to be more relevant to voters.

No he decides to roll in the gutter and use personal attacks. https://www.jackfm.co.uk/news/politics/labour-takes-inspiration-from-australia-with-sunak-attack-ads-but-they-need-more-to-pull-off-a-proper-ousting/

I'm not saying the Tories are blameless, but lets face it, it was/is the CPS who continued/s to fail to prosecute rapists even when the police present evidence, because the CPS only want to take on sure fire winning court cases to up their stats.

So not only has Labour tried to make out Sunak (who became as MP the same year as Starmer) personally doesn't want child abusers to go to prison, but now has plagerised women campaign's slogan about how rape has been decriminalised. https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/the-decriminalisation-of-rape/

And yet Labour still doesn't know what a woman is, nor have they re-admitted women expelled from Labour for saying women are biological females. But think our tiny emotional brains will be overwhelmed by their crass statements about women's issues.

Labour seem to think that because this sort of politcal sloganeering used by the vote leave party were sucessful during the Brexit campaign, that this is how they will win the next election.

Which is worse? That our politicians think voters are such dimwits. Or that they might be right. https://labourlist.org/2023/04/labour-attack-ad-rishi-sunak-crime-twitter-controversial-advert/

That’s a pretty fair summary of the state of play in NI - TUV & DUP are too religiously conservative for me to feel comfortable voting for them. When it comes to Aontú, I don’t know much about them and am not sure I’d vote for them without knowing a lot more about the whole package. I know Peadar Tóibín, an Aontú TD has made speeches in support of GC positions in the Dáil but I know little more than that.

TBH, unless there’s an independent I can vote for in my constituency, I’m likely to spoil my ballot with a GC message and hope it gets noticed during the ballot counting. Every other party in NI, from Sinn Féin to The Alliance Party is keen to be seen as TWAW these days 🤷‍♀️

And with Stormont currently not functioning because of Brexit-related deadlock, our devolved elections are pretty meaningless too, if they return a chamber that is still deadlocked.

NGOs are involving themselves in the social policy sphere here and pushing the same agenda as happened in Scotland - nice middle class NGOs, all largely singing from the same identity politics hymn sheet 🙄 I.e. local repro health org talking about 'pregnant people' nowadays rather than ‘pregnant women'.

Hyena NI parties tend to be rather good at maintaining unity of message, so if the party leader is TWAW then it’s rare to have dissenters. Also, in NI, politics to do with the constitutional position of NI within the UK vs unification with ROI takes up a lot of political bandwidth so social issues never really get proper scrutiny (particularly women’s issues).

I honestly can’t imagine a Rosie Duffield or Miriam Cates existing (for long) in a party over here - it’s so frustrating how little freedom of thought our political parties allow their representatives, especially if they’re women - as Boots mentioned, NI is socially conservative and has large religious populations, so the politics here doesn’t have the best record of treating women well and the growth of US-influenced identity politics is not improving things for women in any way.

OK. I'm not trying to derail the thread but I do believe that a little seasoning can lighten any broth. So here's a Monty Python quote:

"A minute passed. Then another. Then, another minute. Then... another minute passed. Then another minute passed. And another. A further minute passed quickly, followed by another minute, when suddenly, a different minute passed, followed by another different minute. And another. And yet another further different minute. A minute passed. I glanced at my watch. It was a minute past. This was it. A minute passed. After a moment, another minute passed. I waited a minute while a minute passed quickly past. And then, a minute which seemed to last an hour but was only a minute... passed."

I may discuss Chronos and his son Chaos, how time tamed humans and how the Royal Navy invented modern time in the future. It makes me feel more comfortable than the debate on the meaning of gender on another thread.

SF are desperate on their TWAW stance. I remember something relatively big happened here but the leader of SF was unavailable for comment as she was making sure new abortion legistlation was trans-inclusive. They are ruthless in their policing of adherence to the message.

Alliance are looser and I've no idea what the Ulster Unionist party stance is.

What an interesting thread this is turning out to be!

Looking forward to more answers and revelations.

Hope this is not too much of a derailment:

Doug Beattie (UUP leader) was in favour of banning conversion therapy and seems determined to differentiate the UUP from the DUP. He’s on record as not wanting to be seen as 'DUP-lite'. He’s also come in for criticism for decade-old tweets that were described as homophobic and misogynistic so he may be trying to pivot away from criticism.

This article from 2021 is an interesting insight into gender identity politics in NI and its interaction with our political parties:
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/dup-deputys-entire-remarks-to-lgbtqia-gathering-3294776

Most political parties here in NI aren’t that different on this issue of women’s rights from the main parties in GB - we need the UK general election campaign to get the issues into public consciousness and to be debated in media (although Stephen Nolan’s radio programme has been better than other local media at discussing these issues.

Hope this is not too much of a derailment:

This thread is so far past derailment that its fallen off the side of the earth into a black holed timezone nobody knows about. Its like one of those late night chat shows with no host or subject but a lot of nattering. Really bizarre 😂

I think it's very helpful to remember that people in the past were much less concerned with numbers on a clock. They didn't have clocks. Noon was when the sun was highest, which would be different depending on where you were. Probably you'd stop work and have something to eat then. When you woke up, and when you went to bed, depended mainly on the sun too. You might wake up when it started to be dawn, or even before when your chickens noticed the dawn, which is before human eyes do.

Places that needed to keep better time, like monasteries, developed some ways to do it. Like candles that burned at a certain rate per hour. But it wasn't exact, and the sun was still what you based the timings off of. So many hours after noon, for example.

Even once clocks were developed, their purpose was largely local. No one was traveling quickly or calling overseas, so it didn't matter if a clock in one city was coordinated with a clock in another.

Just before we take this thread down a black hole, a polite reminder @TooBigForMyBoots

Our conversation, remember? I didn't want to push it yesterday because you said you were feeling shocked by the underhand behaviour of some people on internet forums. I understand. But you were posting again last night so I hope that means you're feeling better.

I'm not shocked by the way, but I'm really curious and I hope you'll indulge me.
So whenever you're ready:

1. Why did you start a thread about something I had said without telling me?
2. What were you hoping to get out of it?

Like I said, no need for PMs, a public post on this thread, where I can see what you've written - that's the way to clear this up, don't you think?

Just to keep this slightly offset, what is the difference between IW and time?

Time passes.

@Floisme I started a thread. Other posters acting in bad faith tried to make it about you. There's nothing more I can say other than I have reported the post that screenshot yours.

I think this is the explainer. And yes I've read the other thread.

I know we're now very far off topic but in the event anyone was interested in the OP, I read these articles recently:

Telegraph:
^Thornberry: Starmer’s CPS failed on Savile
Victims were let down under the Labour leader, shadow attorney general admits in resurfaced clip^

digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1311/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/1311/pub/1311/page/33/article/NaN

Montage of Thornberry criticising Starmer as DPP:

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Accompanying article:
https://order-order.com/2023/04/17/watch-thornberry-repeatedly-attacked-starmers-record-heading-crown-prosecution-service//_

Nick Timothy comment piece:
http://digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1310/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/1310/pub/1310/page/62/article/NaNN_

Politico:
"STILL MAD The PLP meets today amid suggestions that some MPs will raise concerns about the now infamous attack ads accusing Rishi Sunak of all sorts, the Times says. On LBC last night, Barry Gardiner described the tweets as “sickening.”"

https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/london-playbook/westminster-returns-educating-rishi-3-strikes-youre-out//_

The Times:
Starmer forgets leadership is not the law

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/06d76bc8-dc7c-11ed-a0a8-657f9e54fc6a?shareToken=6b420110fbdae976018a2cda74111ae3

Oh I see Boots, you know, you really should learn to be more careful about bad faith posters. The internet is full of them.

Anyway thank you, let's move on:
If the thread wasn't intended to be about me, what was it about? Can you talk me through it?
I wouldn't normally be so persistent but you did me yesterday which makes us practically internet besties.

Probably best to take a look Flo.

God, its like someone at Labour head office has let them know women are repulsed by their misogyny, and they've come up with this in response.
'I know, lets make out Rishi hates women'
Are these people idiots, or do they just think we are?
Tone deaf does not even come close.

So to what you're saying TooBigForMyBoots is you started a thread randomly, with no thought of what direction it might take and now you feel shocked and aggrieved at the way your words have been interpreted?

It's understandable to feel upset and I sense you don't want to talk about it any further?

But let's be positive. I know what it's like to say something without thinking of consequences but now I've learned so much: about time zones, the NI democratic process and the whole timey wimey business. So onwards and upwards.

All that is left is to understand why Keir believes women can have penises 😀

All that is left is to understand why Keir believes women can have penises 😀

I think there's probably more chance of me learning to understand time zones.

ResisterRex · Today 08:54
I know we're now very far off topic but in the event anyone was interested in the OP, I read these articles recently:….

Thank you for all the links you sent.

I heard from a fairly senior Tory source that ”Keir is finished”.

I can believe it in that he appears to be failing to retain traditional Labour voters, or to attract the undecided.

However it is hard to see any alternative, at least before the GE. It will be interesting to see how local elections go and then what happens within Labour. An ideal would be for a bit of a shock at the local elections where the Tories keep more seats than expected, and then Keir using that to impose some voter attractive policies, ie on gender and perhaps on things like CGT for small business. Won’t happen, so what will?

I am coming to the conclusion that the Labour Party is ungovernable, but I'm sure some of you got there long before me.

@ResisterRex Thanks for those links, they made for fascinating reading 👍

I am not sure that any of the parties have a good story to tell. As people have become browned off with politics, they have stopped being active in their local parties, leaving those parties small and unrepresentative. Labour has problems with its left. The Tories have problems with their right. but have perhaps been lucky that they ended up with the candidate that party members did not choose. (Time will tell, and at least it is not Mordaunt.)

The SNP seems to be in an even bigger hole.

UtopiaPlanitia and ScrollingLeaves, this was this morning's Politico:

"DON’T STOP THE PRESSES: Last night’s Parliamentary Labour Party meeting lasted just 24 minutes as frustration at the party’s attack ads failed to break into the open, my Playbook colleague Dan Bloom emails to say. Barry Gardiner, who had branded the attack ads “cheap slogans,” didn’t turn up to the gathering of a few dozen almost entirely Starmer loyalists. Left-winger Richard Burgon attended but not a single MP asked a question.

Doubling down: Streeting addressed the meeting and defended the attack ads, claiming: “Some in the media have said Labour shouldn’t politicize horrific criminal offences going unpunished. We didn’t. The Tories did when they cut 20,000 police officers.” He also condemned “cowardly anonymous sources” who briefed against Yvette Cooper for distancing herself from the adverts, said one person in the room.

Non speakers: One MP unafraid to condemn the attack ads is Jeremy Corbyn, who described them as “bad news all round.” The ex-leader also told LBC he had “never regarded” Starmer “as a friend.”"

www.politico.eu/newsletter/london-playbook/youre-kidding-purple-hayse-not-so-lovely-meters/