Would you ever consider a transwoman a woman?

[ZeldaFighter]

If a person had transitioned from male to female early in life and had lived quietly and unobtrusively as a woman for say 20 or 30 years, would you consider offering that person the status of "womanhood"?

Would you go on a girls night in a group with them?

Would you think differently if the person had had gender reassignment surgery?

What if they did actually pass?

What if they had a husband and kids?

This isn't a gotcha and I don't know the answers. I am instinctively annoyed by the taking away of women's things but I am also dismayed by the hurt and harm potentially caused to trans people. I'm trying to decide my own position and wondering if there are compromise positions. Apologies if this has been asked before and thank you for your thoughts.

I've just been and watched a video too and like you a few years ago I would have had no problem with Alexis using a female toilet but TRA's have campaigned so aggressively for anyone who self ID's as a woman to gain access to women's spaces that allowing anyone male into that space makes women less safe now.

The only solution is for women to campaign hard for single sex spaces, AGAIN and leave the trans community to campaign for their own spaces. I would have been happy to join such a campaign once upon a time but now I treat it as none of my business.

Most, I never said all.

More like never feeling 100% safe around men, risk of assault, expectation to “be nice” etc. No, that’s not everything but the main issue I face due to my sex is how I’m treated because I am perceived to be (and am) female.

No.

This, I wouldn't have an issue going out with them or treating them with respect. A human is a human, and I like someone for the person. I wouldn't consider them a woman, but I wouldn't think anything less of them.

I would treat them like they were and show them all of the respect that every human being deserves but I wouldn't actually think of them as an actual woman, no.

I'd do a lot of things with a trans woman.
However , I'd not share a bedroom with her nor would I allow a trans woman to perform a smear test on me .

Apologies if anyone is offended by that.

I'd be completely accepting of them as a friend if I liked them. Of course I'd go on a night out with them. And of course I believe they can have a family. That's all fine.

But I'd still believe that they were a trans woman, not a woman. And that is fine. Two different things, both ok.

I think it clear that some people in the world don’t understand that showing violence to women speaking, punching a woman who speaks about keeping sport fair and safe for women, highlights exactly why women don’t want males who feel entitled to female spaces to be in those female spaces.

And people who dismiss the violence do indeed show their hatred for women who reject males seeking access to female single sex spaces.

No - I’d never consider a transwoman a woman.

And this is where we are.

People actually feeling the need to apologise for wanting a woman to do a smear test.

the world has gone insane.

Short answer, no a man can never be a woman.

Would you go on a girls night in a group with them?

I can imagine attending a “girls’ night” with gay men invited, so wouldn’t see this as very different if that was the vibe. If it was an obvious cross dresser or transvestite, I probably wouldn’t go if he made me uncomfortable.

Would you think differently if the person had had gender reassignment surgery?

I’d certainly have less doubt about his commitment, but no, still not a woman.

What if they did actually pass?

If he genuinely passed, behaviourly as well as visually, then I might forget he was male, but I would still know he wasn’t actually a woman, if I was aware he was transitioned.

What if they had a husband and kids?

Homosexual men sometimes have a husband and children. That doesn’t make anyone a woman.

No. Absolutely not.

I would not see them as a woman, but then (unlike the most vocal TRAs) I don’t see being a man as the worst thing imaginable in the world.

Let us look at this another way . If someone decided they wanted to ID as disabled and lived their life in a wheelchair , and then claimed all the benefits and demanded all the rights of the disabled when they were able bodied how would you feel ?

I don’t care how people dress or live their life , but I do care that a man is now the face of Olay skin care and Kate spade handbags . It’s taking the mickey .

I would absolutely have no issues with the person that you have described but I would be worried by their pet unicorn.

Your question makes it sound like womanhood is a club that guards its membership. Womanhood is simply a word to describe the state of being a woman.

What do you mean by "living as a woman"? Do you mean wearing skirts and make-up? Giggling and talking about diets?

Every day I get up and go to work, doing the same job as a male colleague. What is it that means I am living as a woman and he are living as men? What would I need to do differently to live as a man at work?

What does a "girls night out" have to do with anything? How does a girls night out differ from a boys night out other thsn the sex of the people there? If I go to a pub and watch the foitball with my female friends, is that still a girls night out?

There are various circumstances in which a male person might come on a "girls night out,". Recently my entire female sports team went on a night out with our male coach. I can think of a number of other feasible scenarios where there might be a night out with a group of women with just one or two men. But it wouldn't mean that the men are somehow women. They're just a man out with a group of women.

I guess if there was a transwoman who genuinely passed as female, then I would be none the wiser so the whole issue would be moot. But transwomen hardly ever pass as women because they look and sound male.

Essentially if you are asking "are there any circumstances where you could be persuaded to consider a male person to be female?" then my answer is a hard no.
But if you are asking "are there any circumstances when you could be persuaded to talk about dieting/go clothes shopping/go on a night out with a male person the way you might with a female person?" then my answer would be almost certainly yes in certain situations but I would never stop viewing them as a man

No.

No.

Transwomen are men; I'd treat a TW as I would my other male friends, although as PP have said I might not be friends with someone who was determined to intrude on 51% of the world's population.

Clothing, name, adoption of "feminine" behaviours and stereotypes notwithstanding, the TW would remain a man with his status in society markedly different from that of women.

Remove the extras and "sex matters" always holds. Only adult human females are women.

No
All the TW I’ve worked with have been scary and weird in their dealings with me

You'd probably not want to share a communal changing room, or have them even chaperone a smear test or any invasive procedure, or want them in any sort of tape counselling session, or have them teach your daughter about periods and sanitary wear, or do a bra fitting for you ... amongst many many other things.

Because 'she' is not a woman. And to be honest, "true" transwomen wouldn't be anywhere near these incidents.

Never. I will never pretend to either just to be 'polite'. A person born male can NEVER be female or vice versa.

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There is no such thing as 'living as a woman'. There is being a woman or nor being a woman. If a man changes his name, clothes, appearance to 'feminine' ones, that does not make him a woman any more than he was before. And it's not 'living as a woman', because not a single one of the stereotypes he tries to emulate is actually anything that characterises a woman.

No. I'd consider them someone who called themself a woman. If you have a penis you're a man. Being a woman isn't putting on a dress and doing feminine activities. It's your genitals and ability to produce children.

Unless they have a uterus they are not a woman. They can call themselves whatever they want, don’t really care. But they are my a woman.