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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Dylan Mulvaney needs to carry tampons to offer to bio women

331 replies

UltimateWario · 07/04/2023 15:14

Do people with no hair usually carry hairspray incase others need it?

Seeing as though what I was reading went poof.

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Florissante · 13/04/2023 12:46

It would never occur to me to ask a man for a tampon or to accept a tampon from a strange man (and Mulvaney is very strange).

Flowerly · 13/04/2023 12:51

On MN censorship, I have been deleted several times this morning for likening a certain ideology to a cult and pointing out that it has violent followers. Both palpably true.

I expect that this will also be deleted but its helpful to know what we can and cannot say, right?

Florissante · 13/04/2023 12:54

FrancescaContini · 12/04/2023 07:56

Nike have made it clear that they’re now making sports bras for men so it’s obvious they’re going to experience a drop in sales, given that most men don’t wear bras.

Seriously. I'm not going to buy a bra from a company that uses men to advertise them.

Florissante · 13/04/2023 12:55

Flowerly · 13/04/2023 12:51

On MN censorship, I have been deleted several times this morning for likening a certain ideology to a cult and pointing out that it has violent followers. Both palpably true.

I expect that this will also be deleted but its helpful to know what we can and cannot say, right?

If you are modded for saying the truth, well...

ATerrorofLeftovers · 13/04/2023 14:14

Beowulfa · 13/04/2023 12:39

There is apparently archive footage of (national treasure) Lawrence Olivier playing Othello back in the day whilst blacked up and with a cod Jamaican accent. I fail to see why Dylan's parody of womanhood is any less offensive.

Exactly! If Dylan’s womanface mockery is acceptable, then why not the Black & White Minstrels??*

*I don’t really think this would be acceptable, of course! But why is misogyny ok?

turbonerd · 13/04/2023 14:55

UtopiaPlanitia · 13/04/2023 12:27

Excellent analysis of why Mulvaney’s partnership with Nike is not positive for women:

https://thecritic.co.uk/running-like-a-girl/

Well written.

Though I have to say, if DM can be a «girl» then I am happy to be a bitter, bigoted, sour middle aged women who have no qualms about telling him to fuck off with his fucking stupid prancing about.
He looks, sounds and moved like a ,,, well, something something.

SirChenjins · 13/04/2023 15:23

ATerrorofLeftovers · 13/04/2023 14:14

Exactly! If Dylan’s womanface mockery is acceptable, then why not the Black & White Minstrels??*

*I don’t really think this would be acceptable, of course! But why is misogyny ok?

I started a thread about this recently and none of the TRAs could answer the question. There were a couple’s of accusations of racism from people who didn’t seem to quite grasp what I was asking - a response which I thought was quite ironic.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 13/04/2023 15:50

turbonerd · 13/04/2023 14:55

Well written.

Though I have to say, if DM can be a «girl» then I am happy to be a bitter, bigoted, sour middle aged women who have no qualms about telling him to fuck off with his fucking stupid prancing about.
He looks, sounds and moved like a ,,, well, something something.

If an actual 7 year old girl started carrying on the way D M does, I'd be telling her to calm down, to stop being so silly, and to do something rational instead.

ATerrorofLeftovers · 13/04/2023 16:00

SirChenjins · 13/04/2023 15:23

I started a thread about this recently and none of the TRAs could answer the question. There were a couple’s of accusations of racism from people who didn’t seem to quite grasp what I was asking - a response which I thought was quite ironic.

🙄 Doesn’t surprise me none of them could answer. They never can when it comes down to the nuts and bolts of confronting the consequences and equivalences of what they’re campaigning for.

turbonerd · 13/04/2023 16:28

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 13/04/2023 15:50

If an actual 7 year old girl started carrying on the way D M does, I'd be telling her to calm down, to stop being so silly, and to do something rational instead.

Yes quite!
I would and I have; even children when they are over 2 yrs have to stop with the silly baby voice if they want me to listen to them.

This guy is, what, 30? It is 28 years older than anyone I would accept such a behaviour in for a prolonged time without stating they had to pack it in and speak, act and behave as a normal person.

As for carrying tampons for other people’s «barbie pouches» 🤢🤮🤢 it is vile, vile squared actually

oakleaffy · 13/04/2023 18:36

The world IS going mad. A screechy 30’s male acts like a 6 yr old girl- Pretending to emulate women- so over it.

AridFanjo · 14/04/2023 08:54

Can anyone tell me where I can find a well argued view about this DM tool? I would like to send it to my teen dd but googling him, the rhetoric is either painfully pro or offensively anti. Neither will help me explain to dd why this situation is so problematic.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 14/04/2023 09:45

Mumsnet have been monitoring this thread closely, I doubt there's anything offensive on it.

On the specific issue of accepting tampons from strangers, just remind her about the importance of cleanliness and the (rare but not non-existent) potential for dangerous infection,and that poor D M is showing a complete failure to understand really basic facts about the female anatomy, its vulnerability as well as its strength, and that other people hanging around loos being weird may be acting from worse motives than ignorance.

With an added reminder about not drinking anything she has left unattended, and not taking lifts, sweets, or anything else she's going to put into her body from a stranger.

Tampons are wonderful and convenient and all those things, but pads are safer if you have to use something where you haven't controlled the supply chain.

FrancescaContini · 14/04/2023 09:45

UtopiaPlanitia · 13/04/2023 12:27

Excellent analysis of why Mulvaney’s partnership with Nike is not positive for women:

https://thecritic.co.uk/running-like-a-girl/

Show this to your teen DD.

FrancescaContini · 14/04/2023 09:46

Sorry - that was for @AridFanjo

Emmelina · 14/04/2023 13:37

He’s making an absolute mockery of what being a woman actually entails. He has a platform many young girls are going to see and be confused with.
“Day 31 of being a girl, and I’m freaking out a little bit. I haven’t gotten my period yet, okay, I’m late. And I mean I haven’t kissed anyone in a little while but still like, we know what happened to Virgin Mary okay, it’s possible!”

people aren’t seeing how abnormal and damaging this could be.

MavisMcMinty · 14/04/2023 13:41

He seems to be taking the piss out of women and trans women.

Treaclemine · 14/04/2023 14:11

I've seen that video at last. He isn't parodying girls. He is doing what he is capable of doing himself and claiming to be parodying girls. Nike is horrible for encouraging this.

Juniper744 · 15/04/2023 12:28

TeaMistress · 07/04/2023 15:21

Is this forum a safe space for women anymore...I'm disgusted at being silenced and censored.

I’ve been on other groups MN has shut down for reasons hard to fathom. It seems even “safe spaces” set up specifically for women, are still controlled. I live in fear of saying anything for fear of being cancelled. It concerns me that I no longer know if I’m being offensive or not. There is no education. Acronyms are bandied about. I don’t know if I am one of these or not. I used to be a white, heterosexual, middle aged woman. Am I still? I’m not being obtuse. Is this still what/who I am?

nilsmousehammer · 15/04/2023 12:32

You can ask a very special male person to define you should you want to be in with the in crowd - or you can just say fuck that and go on defining yourself according to common sense and your own mind, and ignore the nutjobbery. It will pass.

Rockingcloggs · 15/04/2023 13:09

I live in fear of saying anything for fear of being cancelled. It concerns me that I no longer know if I’m being offensive or not. There is no education. Acronyms are bandied about. I don’t know if I am one of these or not. I used to be a white, heterosexual, middle aged woman. Am I still? I’m not being obtuse. Is this still what/who I am?

@Juniper744

You are still those things. The madness surrounding your doubts on this is simply babble and not to be taken seriously.

You mention being fearful about being offensive? So what if you are? I really don't care if I am viewed to be offensive or not and I will not change my views or pretend to appease the people with this ridiculous agenda.

I have taken the decision to not even acknowledge someone's faux sex/gender/name to be 'polite' - if they are born male then I will use the he/his pronouns whether they want me to or not.

Luckily, I am not in a job anymore where this will get me the sack but if i was, then I would have to leave because I will not sell my soul and use words that I do not agree with. If that view gets me 'cancelled' then so be it. The more of us that go along with it just to keep the peace or to be seen as liberal or progressive or whatever it is that it's currently fashionable to be, the less we will hear about this utter shite.

spirit20 · 15/04/2023 14:52

The more I read about Dylan Mulvaney, I'm convinced that this person is not a genuine trans-woman but a man who has realised he can get a lot of publicity by claiming he is trans. Dylan doesn't seem to be taking hormones (?) or have undergone any form of medical transition. I know they have said they underwent facial feminization surgery, but if I'm being honest, I don't see much difference in their facial features from before and after so I'm wondering how much actual surgery they've had.

Mirabai · 15/04/2023 15:08

I think that’s true of quite a few transwomen particularly in the age of influencers - they think they’ll get more attention and attention = money.

Jan Moir’s daughter wrote a really interesting memoir of her experience of her dad. She felt that his sex changes was not about wanting to be female at all - he didn’t like women and treated her and her mother badly - it was primarily for attention to be different or special in some way.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 15/04/2023 15:38

Jan Morris

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