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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Nike choose Dylan Mulvaney to promote womens sportswear range.

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viques · 07/04/2023 08:33

Do you know what Nike? Forget about “just do it”, as far as I am concerned you can just do one.

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BreadInCaptivity · 07/04/2023 19:09

WhisperingAutistic · 07/04/2023 17:49

Nike respond on Instagram

Apparently they will censor and delete comments.
They also labelled criticism as “hate speech”

What did anyone expect?

Boardrooms are stuffed with middle aged white men trying to justify their relevance whilst revelling in the power they hold.

Virtue marketing gives them the opportunity to self congratulate themselves on their "diverse" approach whilst simultaneously re-enforcing their misogyny and sexist tropes.

As a bonus they also get to tell women that we are "the problem" and leverage their social media to not just silence us, but actively whip up hate against us.

Any brand that does this is off my shopping list and sadly there seem to be more and brands I refuse to buy from.

Thing is I'm not just buying for me. Like many women, I'm the one making many of the household purchases.

DS needs new trainers - guess which ones won't make the cut?

I haven't bought tampax for some time now, in favour or other brands.

My DM needed a new food mixer after her 30 year old Kenwood died. She suggested a Kitchen Aid like I bought 10 years ago. I told her it was shit and to buy another Kenwood.

The list goes on and at a rough estimate I've deliberately not spent over £6k in the last 5 years with certain companies, in favour of those who don't gaslight women (possibly more when I think of M&S and food shopping).

BreadInCaptivity · 07/04/2023 19:13

Oh and I can add cancelling my Guardian contributions in favour of the Times and Spectator.

WhisperingAutistic · 07/04/2023 19:17

BreadInCaptivity · 07/04/2023 19:09

What did anyone expect?

Boardrooms are stuffed with middle aged white men trying to justify their relevance whilst revelling in the power they hold.

Virtue marketing gives them the opportunity to self congratulate themselves on their "diverse" approach whilst simultaneously re-enforcing their misogyny and sexist tropes.

As a bonus they also get to tell women that we are "the problem" and leverage their social media to not just silence us, but actively whip up hate against us.

Any brand that does this is off my shopping list and sadly there seem to be more and brands I refuse to buy from.

Thing is I'm not just buying for me. Like many women, I'm the one making many of the household purchases.

DS needs new trainers - guess which ones won't make the cut?

I haven't bought tampax for some time now, in favour or other brands.

My DM needed a new food mixer after her 30 year old Kenwood died. She suggested a Kitchen Aid like I bought 10 years ago. I told her it was shit and to buy another Kenwood.

The list goes on and at a rough estimate I've deliberately not spent over £6k in the last 5 years with certain companies, in favour of those who don't gaslight women (possibly more when I think of M&S and food shopping).

The boycott list is massive now. Looking at recent lists from people on twitter and ones I remember I've got:

Nike
Bud Light
Ole Henrikson
Plaza Hotel
Mac
Ulta Beauty
Tampax
Crest
Kate Spade
Ok Cupid
Svedka Vodka
Urban Decay
Walmart
Mugler
Rent the Runway
Aritzia
Charlotte Tilbury
Always
Body Shop
M&S
Primark

There are probably loads more from the last few years.

purplepencilcase · 07/04/2023 19:23

hamstersarse · 07/04/2023 09:21

I watched the video yesterday.

I think I’m actually now transphobic. Yes, phobic.

Agree. I used to be tolerant but now I am completely not.

Jackiebrambles · 07/04/2023 19:24

YetAnotherSpartacus · 07/04/2023 15:39

Odd that Dylan isn’t wearing shoes

I thought it was just DM just being ‘goofy and barefoot’ like a true lady, but of course it’s because Nike’s female trainer range won’t fit his man sized feet!! 🤣🤣🤣

faffadoodledo · 07/04/2023 19:25

True @Lastnamedidntstick
But they last and last. Wash and wash. Quality. Better than ratty old Nike anyway!

BreadInCaptivity · 07/04/2023 19:51

@WhisperingAutistic

Ah yes I forgot Tilbury and Urban Decay.

Shame as my favourite lipstick is CT Bond Girl and I loved the UD eye palettes.

I've got an embarrassingly large collection of make up but they don't make the grade anymore.

I will use what left I have but won't restock it.

I can also add Lush.

Was never my thing but DSD loves it. Won't buy anything from there even if on a wish list and having terf'd DM and DMIL neither will they.

Thinking about it, just in one small family our boycott value is really significant in terms of £££.

BreadInCaptivity · 07/04/2023 19:57

I thought it was just DM just being ‘goofy and barefoot’ like a true lady, but of course it’s because Nike’s female trainer range won’t fit his man sized feet!! 🤣🤣🤣

Whilst said in jest, you might be more on point that you suspected with this.

As an aside I've spent years being pissed off at the cool trainers DH can buy in comparison to the delusional belief that women want pink/purple/pastel trainers.

For years I've bought boys trainers in my size.

Misstache · 07/04/2023 20:01

I wish Nike would make an ad with Dylan. It could be called Day 10,000 of being a girl and feature a day in the life of actual woman athletes waking up to train at 4am, training while being pregnant and breastfeeding, killing it in the gym and going to care for an elderly parent, running to work, training on lunch hour and going into court/surgery/class/construction site, showing women sweating with no makeup, with bruises and athletic tape - and then show Dylan in his hiking heels skipping around the garden on day 400 of girlhood. I think that would make a powerful point actually!

Misstache · 07/04/2023 20:02

Oops, I accidentally identified Dylan’s sex correctly so now my post will be deleted.

Cuckoosheep · 07/04/2023 20:05

Snag tights need to be added to the list too.

viques · 07/04/2023 20:06

MotherofBingo · 07/04/2023 15:44

I understand that it's not the point people are trying to make but some of the 'male' characteristics here are also characteristics shared by biological women. I have tiny breasts, that doesn't make me masculine and I have a friend who is female, was born female and yet is 6ft tall and has large feet - larger than her husbands in fact. Nike have a made a shit choice, but not all biological women fit the same mold.

we might not all come from the same mould but I am willing to bet that all of our moulds had vulvas not penises.

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Ozgirl75 · 07/04/2023 20:11

I genuinely don’t understand. Firstly I assumed this Dylan person was a parody - like, pretending to be “a woman” as a joke, like Oli London pretends to be Korea. If Dylan thinks this is how women behave, has he met one before?
Secondly, from a business perspective, isn’t the idea of advertising to appeal to your target market? But surely Nike don’t sell much sports wear to people playing dress ups who don’t even look remotely sporty?
I could perhaps understand if they had a range of non sporty stereotypes and said “sport is for everyone” or something, but no woman would look at this and decide to buy on the back of this advert and men already have plenty of Nike available for them so they don’t need to be advertised to by Dylan either.
Add to that the many many women who would now decide to specifically boycott (womancott?) Nike because of not choosing a biological woman to advertise to women, and it seems a very strange decision.

Ozgirl75 · 07/04/2023 20:12

Misstache · 07/04/2023 20:01

I wish Nike would make an ad with Dylan. It could be called Day 10,000 of being a girl and feature a day in the life of actual woman athletes waking up to train at 4am, training while being pregnant and breastfeeding, killing it in the gym and going to care for an elderly parent, running to work, training on lunch hour and going into court/surgery/class/construction site, showing women sweating with no makeup, with bruises and athletic tape - and then show Dylan in his hiking heels skipping around the garden on day 400 of girlhood. I think that would make a powerful point actually!

Totally agree! The reality vs a man’s fantasy.

viques · 07/04/2023 20:12

I understand we are not being allowed to misgender.

Is it alright to state that since Dylan has had no reconstructive or augmenting surgery , and has taken no hormones Dylan has a male body?

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Ozgirl75 · 07/04/2023 20:20

If we’re not allowed to “misgender” then there really needs to be a new gender word for someone who just wears skirts but is in no other way a woman. Would we have to call Dylan “she” if Dylan was wearing trousers? What is the magic in the skirt that changes “he” to “she”?
Or failing that just put “she”. I don’t see why I should use “she” at all as nothing about Dylan is anything to do with women 😁

Flowerly · 07/04/2023 20:27

I think that plain old 'he' will do since he is male.

BreadInCaptivity · 07/04/2023 20:28

Ozgirl75 · 07/04/2023 20:20

If we’re not allowed to “misgender” then there really needs to be a new gender word for someone who just wears skirts but is in no other way a woman. Would we have to call Dylan “she” if Dylan was wearing trousers? What is the magic in the skirt that changes “he” to “she”?
Or failing that just put “she”. I don’t see why I should use “she” at all as nothing about Dylan is anything to do with women 😁

There's already a word: dick.

DM is a dick.

BreadInCaptivity · 07/04/2023 20:29

A dick with a dick...

Flowerly · 07/04/2023 20:34

BreadInCaptivity · 07/04/2023 20:29

A dick with a dick...

Accurate tbf.

Bluebells1970 · 07/04/2023 20:37

I'm bloody sick of being mocked, parodied and being made to feel that I'm transphobic because of it. The only people who think this is acceptable is men.

viques · 07/04/2023 20:43

Flowerly · 07/04/2023 20:27

I think that plain old 'he' will do since he is male.

why can’t it be that simple?

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Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis · 07/04/2023 20:50

because this man has decided he feels like a woman and we are not allowed to hurt his feelings we all have to pretend he’s a woman even though that makes us furious. How are his, one person, feelings more important than the many people on here ( and elsewhere but I’m meaning MNHQ banning misgendering) feelings?

ArabellaScott · 07/04/2023 20:51

Fuck this patronising bullshit all the way to forever. Fuck Nike. Fuck corporate genderwashing. Fuck performative mockery of women. Fuck unfairness. Fuck misogyny. Fuck anyone pretending some camp mannerisms and dollyfrocks have fucking any connection whatsoever to being a woman, with a woman's body and a woman's life and all of the bleeding and breeding and pressures and trials and traumas that entails. Fuck these cynical bullshit genderwang merchants all the way to the wrong side of history.

ArabellaScott · 07/04/2023 20:52

Apols to Irvine. Transpotting is of course part of the Scottish Canon.