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Can MNHQ set up a new discussion category called Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

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PlanetLuna · 04/04/2023 14:59

MN, will you please create a talk group/category of Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)?

MN appears to currently have only 2 feminism categories:
Feminism: chat
Feminism: sex & gender discussions

But the Feminism: sex & gender category on MN is predominantly GC, with its emphasis on trans exclusion ideology. Feminists who do not subscribe to those beliefs are often unwelcome and treated with derision and hostility in discussions. Certainly not always as some GC posters do enjoy open, intellectual discussions but often enough that engagement can be toxic & intimidating all around.

It is almost impossible for non-GC feminists to find inclusive/non-GC feminist discussions, and we have to wade through unpleasant (for us) GC threads while attempting to do so.

GC feminism dominates on UK parenting sites in particular. However, inclusive/non-GC feminism is extremely popular around the world (especially in places like the US, NZ, and AU) and in the UK among younger feminists and those who do not see trans rights as a threat to women & girls’ safety. Many UK feminists are non-GC but may feel silenced on MN.

The addition of another category will help open up and improve MN discussions while reducing the toxicity and hostility that many feminists on both sides experience in discussions.

So I propose the following feminism discussion categories:
Feminism: chat (general)
Feminism: sex & gender discussions (GC)
Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

@MNHQ

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Ingenieur · 04/04/2023 15:13

@Motorina

It never seems to amaze me when I see something that says, "Inclusive, excluding those people I don't like".

This is so true, and reflective of the current state of things, isn't it? Anyone can come and discuss issues on any board, it is completely inclusive.

Forums shouldn't be safe spaces where ideas go unchallenged, the S&G forum is full of people challenging and criticising GC ideas, and everyone is more informed for it.

Up with inclusion, up with diversity of opinion!

AmuseBish · 04/04/2023 15:13

Annnnd another tip - there is no such user as 'MNHQ' so tagging that username doesn't achieve anything.

I mean this really nicely, but it's good to hang about on a forum for a bit to get the feel of how it works before demanding changes.

MissPollysFitDolly · 04/04/2023 15:14

As people have said multiple times GC Feminism isn't trans exclusive, it's male exclusive. Why would anyone want to include males in feminism?

idsisatwat · 04/04/2023 15:15

How can it be feminism if you're centering men?

Florissante · 04/04/2023 15:16

Nope.

Helleofabore · 04/04/2023 15:17

"As people have said multiple times GC Feminism isn't trans exclusive, it's male exclusive. Why would anyone want to include males in feminism?"

This.

Feminism is for discussing the issues that impact all female people of the world, of every gender, of every age. But only the female half of the population.

SirChenjins · 04/04/2023 15:18

No thanks. The internet is awash with sites where womenphobes can discuss terfs and their pesky GC ways to their heart’s content - I’m sure you’ll find plenty of discussion boards out there that will offer you the kind of inclusivity you’re looking for.

LexMitior · 04/04/2023 15:19

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MrsTerryPratchett · 04/04/2023 15:19

AmuseBish · 04/04/2023 15:13

Annnnd another tip - there is no such user as 'MNHQ' so tagging that username doesn't achieve anything.

I mean this really nicely, but it's good to hang about on a forum for a bit to get the feel of how it works before demanding changes.

There really really should be. Like how 911 should redirect to 999 because so many people think it exists in the UK.

[helpful]

And this thread s a wind-up. I'm not getting wound up. Lalalalala puppies and kittens (also sexually diamorphic BTW).

Broadbeachshallow · 04/04/2023 15:19
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That is not an inclusive idea, OP. It's exclusive. Seriously, look these terms up.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 04/04/2023 15:20

If the atom is split any more it will explode.

Farmageddon · 04/04/2023 15:20

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sweetcreams · 04/04/2023 15:20

Keep the two existing spaces and create a new section:

Femalism: Kellie-Jay Keen stan chat

where her followers can post gifs and Carl Benjamin/Matt Walsh/alt-right links to their heart's content.

Brefugee · 04/04/2023 15:20

There really really should be. Like how 911 should redirect to 999 because so many people think it exists in the UK.

off topic i know, but i think it does in a lot of Europe. Pretty sure the instructor mentioned that to us last time i was on a first aid course.

sorry, as you were.

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/04/2023 15:21

we were cast out of FWR and shunted off into the dreary corner

I bought pot plants and made nice curtains you ungrateful baggage.

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/04/2023 15:22

Brefugee · 04/04/2023 15:20

There really really should be. Like how 911 should redirect to 999 because so many people think it exists in the UK.

off topic i know, but i think it does in a lot of Europe. Pretty sure the instructor mentioned that to us last time i was on a first aid course.

sorry, as you were.

Oooooo facts.

Like it.

lechiffre55 · 04/04/2023 15:22

Am I the only one who gets a "make the girls in the girls space bow down before me when I enter" vibe off this?
It's like there's all these women talking about things I don't like, and it needs to stop. It seems like a mirror of what's going on in female changing spaces, an invasion and attempt to colonise and subjugate.

Farmageddon · 04/04/2023 15:23

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/04/2023 15:21

we were cast out of FWR and shunted off into the dreary corner

I bought pot plants and made nice curtains you ungrateful baggage.

Soz Terry, your curtains are beautiful 😉
pot plants need watering though...

Floisme · 04/04/2023 15:24

If I recall correctly op, Feminism Chat was created by popular demand for this specific purpose.

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PlanetLuna · 04/04/2023 15:25

I’m new enough to MN that I am unfamiliar with the history that led to the set up of the feminism boards as they currently are.
I assumed the feminism:chat category was for posts unrelated to sex & gender. Is that assumption not accurate?

But we can all see the calibre and toxicity of the replies to me in just the first few minutes of my post being up. It’s a lot of negativity for a MN poster to be subjected to for a straightforward, respectful post.
And it is proof of the underlying need for the category I’ve requested.

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Floisme · 04/04/2023 15:25

Would you like someone to come over to Feminist Chat and start some threads for you?

FourTeaFallOut · 04/04/2023 15:25

Floisme · 04/04/2023 15:24

If I recall correctly op, Feminism Chat was created by popular demand for this specific purpose.

So popular it's right up there with ebola board for traffic.

Giggorata · 04/04/2023 15:27

It isn't “trans exclusionary ideology”.
Just, oh I don't know, the notion that women's rights, separate spaces and categories belong to them, and are not to be given away to men in frocks

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 04/04/2023 15:27

GC feminism dominates on UK parenting sites in particular.

I wonder why older women, mostly with children or experience of child development, and with years of lived experience of being a woman, would notice gender identity theory had holes in as a philosophy...

However, inclusive/non-GC feminism is extremely popular around the world (especially in places like the US, NZ, and AU) and in the UK among younger feminists and those who do not see trans rights as a threat to women & girls’ safety.

If it's so popular, I'm sure they have places to discuss it other than a British parenting forum then. Why should this website be altered for the sake of people who are not users? Google (other search engines are available) "we hunted the mammoth". The chat section there should meet your needs.

Many UK feminists are non-GC but may feel silenced on MN

A Feminist Chat section was already created to serve this notional population. It appears rumours of its size were greatly exaggerated. Like other male parts of the body politic.

TeenDivided · 04/04/2023 15:29

OP. What would you discuss on your new inclusive board? Genuine question. If TWAW then I can't see what you would have left to discuss, unless you want to say how bad it is that TW aren't allowed in women's athletics any more and how the rapist should have been allowed in the Scottish prison? But then you would get people putting the other side of the argument and you'd be back with the existing board.