Can MNHQ set up a new discussion category called Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

[PlanetLuna]

MN, will you please create a talk group/category of Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)?

MN appears to currently have only 2 feminism categories:
Feminism: chat
Feminism: sex & gender discussions

But the Feminism: sex & gender category on MN is predominantly GC, with its emphasis on trans exclusion ideology. Feminists who do not subscribe to those beliefs are often unwelcome and treated with derision and hostility in discussions. Certainly not always as some GC posters do enjoy open, intellectual discussions but often enough that engagement can be toxic & intimidating all around.

It is almost impossible for non-GC feminists to find inclusive/non-GC feminist discussions, and we have to wade through unpleasant (for us) GC threads while attempting to do so.

GC feminism dominates on UK parenting sites in particular. However, inclusive/non-GC feminism is extremely popular around the world (especially in places like the US, NZ, and AU) and in the UK among younger feminists and those who do not see trans rights as a threat to women & girls’ safety. Many UK feminists are non-GC but may feel silenced on MN.

The addition of another category will help open up and improve MN discussions while reducing the toxicity and hostility that many feminists on both sides experience in discussions.

So I propose the following feminism discussion categories:
Feminism: chat (general)
Feminism: sex & gender discussions (GC)
Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

@MNHQ

At least this thread has brought us a new insult, which is always nice. On a Monday, too!

I'd like a feminist board where everyone is in agreement that January is the worst month of the year, that disaster movies are the best genre and who would prefer to have a nose around a new build show home than trudge around a stately home. Who's with me? I reckon we could out-traffic chat by the end of the week.

Oohhh, nice name

OP, this is what 'Feminism Chat' board was supposed to be for. So - your problem is solved and your very sincere prayers have been answered!

Happy days, you need not wade through any of these horrible threads anymore.

So you’d like a safe space where you don’t get overwhelmed when people challenge ideas and opinions? Sorry, I don’t think the internet’s for you! The irony of you needing this while you spend lots of time on the royal boards defending Harry against actual hostility and toxicity that is far far more challenging than anything I’ve ever seen here. I think you can handle it here just fine @PlanetLuna and please don’t make generalisations about what people in NZ think, you have no idea

Fanks. I like spots. And feel an affinity with feliform carnivoran mammals.

And yes I agree that FWR has a few 'characters' with their own ways of posting that are hard to parse sometimes if you don't know their history. That's the same in most long-running online communities.

I've withdrawn slightly because the same voices tend to dominate and I find a lot of the chat isn't about stuff I'm that interested in having An Opinion on, or feel I can change, or is the same sort of discussion we've had for years on end. (Not a criticism!).

The ones that most engage me are the factual or legal ones. I know this will be different for everyone.

Ignore the last sentence. We didn't get it dropped.

I like January.

Let's never speak again.

I'd like a board that's just for people to say how great I am and where nobody can disagree.

Working title;
Feminism: Tinsel is Great Discussion.

Tinsel - you’ve got my vote

👍🏼

Tinsel - you’ve got my vote

Yes. These are the kind of posts that will be encouraged on my new board.

😁

You want a similar board to discuss the same news items, but talk about how marvellous it all is?

No one is stopping non-GC individuals from posting in Sex & Gender.

It’s just an uncomfortable fact that most women choose to centre women in their feminism. And when I say uncomfortable, I mean uncomfortable for men.

If there was such a huge demand for non-GC chat and us terrible old TERFs are such a minority, where are all the non-GC voices hiding? No one is being prevented from posting, or from commenting.

I think the issue for you OP is that the overwhelming majority of women are actually GC. And this is a forum created primarily for women.

You want a separate board because you don’t like hearing from women who disagree with you - that’s how it seems, but that’s not how a discussion forum works. Disagreeing with your POV doesn’t make posters “toxic”.

Mind you, it is nice to have a safe space isn’t it? We used to have those too before men started claiming them…..

So I think we've established that OP doesn't actually know what 'GC' means or what 'non-GC feminism' is, or that they are so rude that they plop in here with claims about them but can't even be bothered to engage?

Never changes, does it? And then they pretend to wonder why the 10000th thread about 'why GC is wrong although I can't say what it is' gets short shrift.

Inclusive, as in not preoccupied with demonising trans people as part of my feminist worldview. Inclusive as in not threatened by using the term cis to describe people like myself during discourse.

Yes please!!!! I literally post nothing on MumsNet for fear of a pile-on.

Nope. They absolutely take no prisoners there. The OP would not last five seconds.

Exactly this!

This forum is meant to be a place to have a discussion but it seems on the feminist board you cannot have a discussion.

I’ve lost count of how many posters are called trolls or men just because they have a slightly different opinion.

Some posters are more concerned with trying to silence people, rather than having an adult discussion and potentially changing someone’s views on things.

Even on this thread there are posters that instead of discussing the pros and cons of OPs idea, they have resorted to being childish and saying silly things.

And yet, here you are...?

I quite like disagreement, the more robust the better imo. It's an opportunity to possibly learn something, while honing my own argument. Echo chambers are a bad thing.

I missed @ConstanceOcean link to the thread where everyone ripped to shreds the mother seeking advice re her trans child. Could you repost please @ConstanceOcean ? Thanks 😊