Can MNHQ set up a new discussion category called Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

[PlanetLuna]

MN, will you please create a talk group/category of Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)?

MN appears to currently have only 2 feminism categories:
Feminism: chat
Feminism: sex & gender discussions

But the Feminism: sex & gender category on MN is predominantly GC, with its emphasis on trans exclusion ideology. Feminists who do not subscribe to those beliefs are often unwelcome and treated with derision and hostility in discussions. Certainly not always as some GC posters do enjoy open, intellectual discussions but often enough that engagement can be toxic & intimidating all around.

It is almost impossible for non-GC feminists to find inclusive/non-GC feminist discussions, and we have to wade through unpleasant (for us) GC threads while attempting to do so.

GC feminism dominates on UK parenting sites in particular. However, inclusive/non-GC feminism is extremely popular around the world (especially in places like the US, NZ, and AU) and in the UK among younger feminists and those who do not see trans rights as a threat to women & girls’ safety. Many UK feminists are non-GC but may feel silenced on MN.

The addition of another category will help open up and improve MN discussions while reducing the toxicity and hostility that many feminists on both sides experience in discussions.

So I propose the following feminism discussion categories:
Feminism: chat (general)
Feminism: sex & gender discussions (GC)
Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

@MNHQ

Exactly this @ConstanceOcean.

To have any feminism discussion related to gender that is not GC or that’s trans-inclusive is impossible without a lot of hostility and in some cases bullying.

While I agree that the sex and gender topic can be a but overwhelming, I don't think that there should be any areas of site where discussion us not allowed: so an area of feminism for trans inclusion without discussion is pointless. I would be very disappointed to see any topics with only one viewpoint allowed on any issue.
What would be nice is if the sex and gender area were more discursive generally. It has become a bit of a notice board rather than a discussion. Those who wander in to ask questions or dip their toe in the water are generally given short shrift as ploppers or trolls so the atmosphere is far from helpful.

I think that the regulars on the board forget that this isn't a hot topic for 95% of people, so there should be an open dialogue to let the light in all the time.
Yes it is repetitive. Yes it does encourage those with the same arguments over and over, but it is supposed to be a discussion board.

SPLITTERS!

But we can all see the calibre and toxicity of the replies to me in just the first few minutes of my post being up. It’s a lot of negativity for a MN poster to be subjected to for a straightforward, respectful post.

Your post was neither straightforward nor respectful. If you think it was, your social skills are worse than mine were as an autistic child, back when I couldn't even pronounce my own name. I recommend borrowing a lot of books on social interaction.

And it is proof of the underlying need for the category I’ve requested.

Honey, it doesn't matter how many subsections you ask for, women on MN are never going to silently ignore it when you're rude to them. They will always be sarcastic back.

You'd be better off creating a personal blog, and disabling the comment facility so people can't reply.

Try everydayfeminism.com for reading material.

So OP according to you the meaning of “inclusive” is “includes only people you already agree with”?

To have any feminism discussion related to gender that is not GC or that’s trans-inclusive is impossible without a lot of hostility and in some cases bullying.

That's untrue.

Can you at least be honest?
What do you consider "GC" to be? You don't actually seem to know?

That's really disappointing @ConstanceOcean because a lot of mothers in here have kids struggling with the same issues. I've only ever seen a lot of support, kindness and advice.

Can you link to the thread?

OP. I see you've engaged with the poster who agreed with you, but not yet answered my questions.

For what it's worth, I have seen threads on this board being very supportive of a parent with a trans identifying child. There is also a whole board dedicated to LGBT children where people can post for advice too, they don't have to use the feminism discussion board.

I’m certain that @ConstanceOcean will be able to link to this thread of shrieking hyenas tearing a poor mother to pieces

As they say in Northern Ireland, catch yerself on.

@PlanetLuna look, how many times have you started a thread in Feminism:Chat about your chosen topic, and only engaged with replies that are of the calibre and content that you respect? Just ignore other posts, and report and significant derailments to MN for deletion?

Why do you need a new section to try that in?

And I believe there's LGBT parents or kids (can't remember) that is similarly supportive generally.

If I recall, it used to be Feminism and Women's Rights a verrrry long time ago. There was minor tinkering with names and then a group of people like the OP demanded we should be banished and they should have Feminism chat for their type of Feminism. So off we trudged to the barren wastes of Feminism:Sex & Gender Discussions. Eventually we persuaded MNHQ to drop the word Discussions.

Anyone having seen your posts on this board will have noticed that you can’t seem to post respectfully and seem intent on shaming anyone who doesn’t agree with you.

Have you supported your posts with evidence at all? Or it is all just your opinion and you are upset that others disagree with you.

Rather eye opening that you cannot make convincing arguments yet feel a board should be made especially for your opinions. When we have had years of people shaming posters on this board for their opinions to the degree that this entire topic was spliced off to allow a group to talk all on their own…. Only to then abandon the space.

So, you have turned up and done no research or gained any understanding of the history of the board and demanded that you be treated with some kind of respect you have failed to show other posters.

Marvellous.

I agree with this:

To have any feminism discussion related to gender that is not GC or that’s trans-inclusive is impossible

Taking this on face value. The Feminism and Women's Rights Board was originally just the one board. MNHQ announced about 2(?) years ago that they had received enough emails from people with views similar to yourself that they wanted to split the boards into two separate boards with a great deal of discussion about the names of each board should be. Feminism: Chat is there for the discussions you are looking for, particularly as at the time of The Great Split posters with known GC views were told to 'piss off back to your own board'.

If you want to further split the boards (which tbh I can't see either MNHQ or the users going for) then you would be better posting in Site Stuff or @ a named MNHQ admin.

On other sections of mumsnet, do you find you agree with every poster? Do you demand a separate board for the ones you don't like the tone of? Or do you just scroll past them, like most sensible people?

I wonder why it's this particular space where being asked to clarify what you meant in what is clearly a goady OP is seen as 'hostility'.

I don't agree with many of the posters on here yet I seem to post threads I want to chat about and ignore or question the ones I disagree with.

I won't accept dishonesty though, and will try and seek genuine answers from people that post unsubstantiated or contradictory things.

if MNltbghq do
could they also consider a exclusive entitled PEOPLE talk board catagory of all/inclusive/humans.
I really feel as a fairly disintrested and uninvolved in the genderising specifics and non extremist view points with angles and agendas - somewhere the luxury of anon can be all encompassing to extent your salary,relationship status,sexual preference are irrelevant or at very least remain private. almost like actual grown ups who have the lived world knowledge that everyone is a little different but also have the capacity to accept this without. a little nod to highlighting their pedestal platform and just give auto response feedback\advice.?

Are you saying you don't want a debate op? Because I'm afraid you're about four years too late.

There are posters that will be vicious on any thread but the feminist ones seem to attract the worst.

You've obviously never visited AIBU.

Maybe the OP would prefer a board to themself?

In my day we called this a 'diary'.

To be called a hyena is really fucking unkind to be honest. I'm feeling fragile, I have no idea what that poster is talking about and yet now I'm a hyena. Yet these are the posters demanding higher standards of civility.

I really, really wish people could post what was actually said - there's a copy and paste function on most devices - rather than re-characterise them in horrible ways. It's yet another form of dishonesty.