Can MNHQ set up a new discussion category called Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

[PlanetLuna]

MN, will you please create a talk group/category of Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)?

MN appears to currently have only 2 feminism categories:
Feminism: chat
Feminism: sex & gender discussions

But the Feminism: sex & gender category on MN is predominantly GC, with its emphasis on trans exclusion ideology. Feminists who do not subscribe to those beliefs are often unwelcome and treated with derision and hostility in discussions. Certainly not always as some GC posters do enjoy open, intellectual discussions but often enough that engagement can be toxic & intimidating all around.

It is almost impossible for non-GC feminists to find inclusive/non-GC feminist discussions, and we have to wade through unpleasant (for us) GC threads while attempting to do so.

GC feminism dominates on UK parenting sites in particular. However, inclusive/non-GC feminism is extremely popular around the world (especially in places like the US, NZ, and AU) and in the UK among younger feminists and those who do not see trans rights as a threat to women & girls’ safety. Many UK feminists are non-GC but may feel silenced on MN.

The addition of another category will help open up and improve MN discussions while reducing the toxicity and hostility that many feminists on both sides experience in discussions.

So I propose the following feminism discussion categories:
Feminism: chat (general)
Feminism: sex & gender discussions (GC)
Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

@MNHQ

@PlanetLuna what people here are telling you is that Feminism: Chat is specially just for you. Isn't that helpful and fantastic for you to find out? It's exactly what you want. You can post away there.

What you can't do is insist that certain types of poster can't post.

And, the split was forced upon the regular posters and was not wanted, hence the continuing irritation towards that decision. I appreciate that you won't necessarily know the history of it.

Hmm, is that a...seperate space?...a safe space?...funny, that...

You should start charging Kellie-Jay Keen rent babe, you'd make a fortune.

2 threads with latest activity today on that board
34 threads with latest activity today on this board

I think OP wants people to go on the other board to validate them. It's always about the validation.

I must admit, I hadn't realised until just now how quiet it had gone on Feminism Chat. They seem to have had 2 posts in the last 24 hours. Whatever happened to all those feminist mumsnetters who were clamouring for their own board?

Agree.

As you can see women are now being told how to think and feel by highly toxic other women, who want to blame everything on the TRAs they are apparently desperately impersonating.

If you don’t agree immediately you are shouted down. It’s an absolute joke.

Try asking Angela Rayner, Lisa Nandy, Penny Mordaunt, etc al.

You're so new to the site that you don't know how it works, you don't understand the purpose of the different boards or how they came to exist, you don't know how to post messages to the admins, and yet you think you know better than everyone who's been here for years how it should be set up?

Gosh. How very... confident of you.

@PlanetLuna your opening post was not straightforward nor was it respectful. It contained a whole heap of disrespect towards people whose posts aren't of the "calibre" you demand.

Many UK feminists are non-GC but may feel silenced on MN

I would say that they're not feminists if they believe that men can somehow become women.

Feminists (the centring women kind): women should not be physically threatened and lose their jobs and careers for gc opinions.
non gc ‘feminists’: mumsnet we should be able to exclude gc viewpoints from our threads we shouldn’t have to see those opinions it’s not faaiiiiir

genuine question : would you try and get a gc woman pushed out at your work? Would you ostracise her and badmouth her to others?

'Shouted down' - holes pulled in arguments and inconvenient facts mentioned.

Have the chat board. Tis what it's for. Naice feminism where no one is allowed to mention the cantering elephants amongst the tumbleweed.

Why don't you go to Reddit? The various deeply unsavoury characters who moderate almost all the subs make sure it's an echo chamber on trans issues - if you ever see an opinion you disagree with there you can report it, and some she/her or other will delete it for you.

There always the place where they farm kiwis. I'm sure you'll have a great time there.

People disagreeing with you is not toxic.

Toxic would be people throwing (metaphorical) tomato soup over your head.

Ah Im having a crap day so thanks OP & Bone 🧦

do feel free to post any thread you like on here to explain why we should Centre mens feelings above women’s on the feminism board - sex & gender

ppl not agreeing with, asking for facts rather than feelings and pointing out that TW are men is not shouting anyone down

(inclusive, non-GC)?

That is funny.

Inclusive, but not Inclusive

They wanted cutted up pear, they got cutted up pear. They didn't want cutted up pear.

<sigh>

912 doesn't work in Europe - North America (US, Canada and parts of the Caribbean) only.

112 is the European emergency number.

This has been a public service message, not a derail.

I don’t think this is a bad idea.

I remember one thread where a mother was struggling with her son who said he was trans.

She said she disagreed with it but didn’t want to push him away and wanted to find a way to support him without encouraging it.

She was torn to shreds by the hyenas of MN as were anyone trying to give her any proper advice.

You cannot have a discussion on there with a large majority of the posters because they’re all regulars and will gang up and bully the poster until they leave.

I commented one time and was set upon by them and at least 10 posters were having a go at me because 1 well known poster read my comment wrong and they blindly supported her instead of reading my comment for themselves.

There are posters that will be vicious on any thread but the feminist ones seem to attract the worst.

I am a feminist.

@PronounssheRa - in the traditional world, it used to be....

Exclusive

OP - what sort of discussions would you like to do that couldn't be done on the Feminism Chat board?

OP - I do actually feel you're being derisory and hostile to me by not answering my questions.

If you are unable to even explain what you are talking about do you really think a whole board is needed?

I mean, maybe we'll end up with dozens of "Feminism: done the way I say" boards littering around. All of them as popular as the current Feminism: Chat board is, with its resident tumbleweed. Might look a bit untidy after a while.

Even Nephilim Steps wouldn’t be big enough naughty steps for some people it seems 🙄