Anatomy of the Near Murder of Kellie-Jay Keen

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" The leaps that Newshub made from Keen’s pro-woman and child safeguarding activism to associating her with neo-Nazis merely continued the execution of a draught already established from 2018 where socfems have made similar accusations."

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KJK has explained she was not aware the police were not present until she got to the rotunda, not visible from the street.

This sounds like a failing on her (male) security team's part to inform her.

My point isn’t OMG YOU’RE A NAZI IF YOU TALK TO THEM. It was that critiquing that as a strategy isn’t wrong nor are people who are uncomfortable or disagree with that strategy therefore responsible for violence against KJK.

I completely agree. I think unfortunately some of the more unhinged among socialist feminists do actually seem to want people to believe that KJK is a nazi because she spoke to the Heritage Foundation. Pound Shop Eva Braun anyone?

I think the red mist descends sometimes when you're explaining for the umpty billionth time that no, objecting to little girls wearing a hijab doesn't make KJK a nazi and it can mean that people with a more reasoned approach still get it with both barrels. I'm sorry if I've done that

It’s ok for Black women to dislike right wing men and their politics and not want to support them or feel comfortable with their works and views and to identify the harm they do to us. That doesn’t make me some bully to women.

agree

And can you see the double standard here? Left wing feminists who critiqued her stand accused of stoking violence against her - that’s holding THEM guilty by association. Just as she’s not responsible for the actions of Nazis, they’re not responsible for the actions of TRAs.

yup hard agree. I don't love some of the rhetoric being thrown around at the moment. Socialist Feminists the the Actual Gender Critical Left are responsible for being monomaniac bullies, but not for the actions of stupid violent men. not ever.

So as far as I can understand, and bear with me cos I’m new to this particular brand of er… feminism
KJK has to do a complete background check on anyone who she may interact with
JB gets a free pass for touring with Milo cos er…. Reasons
some feminists don’t like KJK cos she’s not doing feminising right despite not being a feminist and because she will talk to anyone to get her points across.
so if the left won’t talk to women because most of them are either misogynistic beardy bros or captured by the trans ideology, and we’re not allowed to talk to anyone right of Karl Marx or who may have an opinion on other subjects that does not meet the approval of the anti KJK feminists, who exactly are we meant to be working with to stop the utter shitshow of gender ideology?

and with regard to the Daily Wire, gotcha. I practically cringe myself inside out when women post gratuitous praise for Ben Shapiro or Matt Walsh here. Those men are no friends to women. but it is those women's choice to post that stuff. They don't want to think any further about just how uncritical of gender those men are? well, their loss I guess. I did used to engage with it but then I decided life's too short. my bad probably

Notice that I’m called “nasty” and “vile” and in favour of harming children

Nope. You are going to have to quote me accurately.

So you are just joining a line of women who are being nasty about that American mother, nasty about the parents

What they are being is nasty. I've read what they say on Twitter and Facebook. Join that line, I'm just telling you what they are doing is being nasty.

And their nastiness about these Conservative parents is vile.

"In favour of harming children", well you have 1000 percent just made that bit up.

No doubt that will be quoted on Facebook shortly.

I still don't understand the point about Jordan Petersen? He's generally not a talking point here and when he does come up, most people don't like him because he's a misogynist (I didn't know about his racism, though not totally surprised)

But where does he fit in with KJK?

She probably passed him In a street once …..

I think she did an interview with him, and he has been supportive of LWS I think

she's fangirled him a bit in the past

Ahhh I see. So now we have to purity check anyone we may fangirl at? Bloody hell! When are we supposed to get time to actually do stuff?

I think she did an interview with him, and he has been supportive of LWS I think

she's fangirled him a bit in the past

I find that hard to believe. I think they belong to completely different worlds, frankly.

One brave feminist, I can't remember which, did interview him one time and he showed zero respect, chopping and changing the subject to get away.

to be fair, it's always been pretty clear that Peterson is tremendously dull, verbose and wilfully obscure, which were my main problems with him

he also is yet another man who really loves gender and thinks women are making a bit of a fuss. I read him as a massive chancer just making the most of his time in the sun. he's judith butler adjacent

I'm not surprised if he's said bloody stupid things on the subject of race

loathe to make a big deal of it, but it's true, honest guv

A lot of Black women that I know admire the bravery of KJK. I thought she was great in the way she confronted the BS with Lia Thomas. Lots of Black women love that she stays about it. Lots of Black women also love how JK Rowling doesn’t back down or take any shit. Most regular Black women aren’t with the extremist TRA stuff and take offence at white men claiming they’re more oppressed than us because they put on a dress. Black women aren’t with having the word mother or women taken from us. Most of us aren’t down with being told we can’t talk about our periods or pregnancies. So most Black women are so-called terfs and definitely feminists on the continent/Caribbean are so-called terfy in that they centre actual women and our bodies and motherhood. The problem isn’t with KJK.

But also, most of those same Black women aren’t with right wing men and their anti-Blackness. My point is only it’s not wrong to criticize them.

dunno if I'm getting it wrong, but I think most of the women who get really unhinged on the subject of KJK are white aren't they? certainly the ones I could name

But also, most of those same Black women aren’t with right wing men and their anti-Blackness. My point is only it’s not wrong to criticize them.

you’re absolutely right @Misstache i think that does need to be called out, my problem is those feminists slating KJK and accusing her of ridiculous stuff just for talking to people.

Dunno about JBP and KJK.
He's just a social conservative, as far as I can see.
A perfectly normal viewpoint, shared by many, who have happy fulfilled if imperfect lives. But no life is perfect.
Maybe he's racist too, I don't know, haven't followed him exhaustively, obv don't condone that if true.

It was Helen Lewis.

@BernardBlacksMolluscs

Fair enough, I thought you were uncertain. I must admit I stop listening when Posie starts talking off piste

Yes, I’m sure they are white women! Maybe I’m making a hash of my point - my issue isn’t with KJK, I’m just saying I’m also uncomfortable with lots of the right wing men who have jumped in who aren’t about my rights and I don’t disagree with criticizing them and their political goals. I was only trying to say why, for me, some of the dismissal of the issues with these men is uncomfortable and I don’t think it’s wrong for people to criticize that and it’s unfair to suggest they endangered her by doing so. That’s all.

it's fine for people to criticise KJK as long as they stick to the facts

my problem starts when they start making shit up (not saying you do / have done this)

we had a real life example on this very thread

a poster interpreted a tweet inviting people to bring their eggs to an event on easter sunday as an invitation for men to bring hens eggs to pelt the women in the crowd with. it was just bizarre. anyone with any kind of good faith take interpreted it as being about chocolate eggs. so weird

I honestly don’t think we’re really disagreeing!

Anyway, the same people who are quick to talk about KJK being a Nazi are quick to indulge in racist invective against Black women, like the ones telling Aja the Empress to go back where she came from, etc.

no, I don't think we are either!

Anyway, the same people who are quick to talk about KJK being a Nazi are quick to indulge in racist invective against Black women, like the ones telling Aja the Empress to go back where she came from, etc

Too true

it's fine for people to criticise KJK as long as they stick to the facts
Yeap and as long as it is constructive criticism.

I see your point.
But does this work in reverse? If a particularly good anti racist campainer were terrible on womens rights issues, does that mean you can't agree with them on that bit?

Polics, unlike sex is not binary and purity spirals etc is a type of self divide and lets others rule.

He's interviewed Helen Joyce, Abigail Shrier and other feminists. He supports women against TRAs. He and Meghan Murphy both made submissions against Canada's compelled speech rules.

He was interviewed a few years ago by Cathy Newman and then Helen Lewis, both of whom made total tits of themselves, tbh.

I don't believe he has said racist things - I'd like to see the links before I join in any condemnation.