Anatomy of the Near Murder of Kellie-Jay Keen

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" The leaps that Newshub made from Keen’s pro-woman and child safeguarding activism to associating her with neo-Nazis merely continued the execution of a draught already established from 2018 where socfems have made similar accusations."

https://savageminds.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-the-near-murder-of-kellie?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=65949&post_id=112245546&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

Singingbean, they have a salon in Brighton doncha know, and a posh magazine.

That's what feminists should spend their money on. Keir Starmer reads every copy of the magazine and attends the salon to listen to them. It's far more effective.

So, no criticisms of the random sharks that got into the woman’s bath uninvited? Even though they knew it was the woman’s bath and they had no right to get in it?

Are you now going to blame the woman for not having a shark-proof lock on bathroom door?

What represents the bath in your analogy? Just the park where the event was held? Or all of New Zealand? Is it all and every public place?
Should the woman never bathe again because there is always a risk of a shark in her bath water?

Billy Bragg admitted at the weekend that he in fact had been funded by the far right and had had nazi salutes at his gigs.

I get the impression from Sappho's posts that no thinking is involved.

I heard that too!

How fucking DARE you?

People could have died in a crush. Not just Posie, but anyone else who was in the middle of it - the other women, the security folk, some of the 'protestors'. Crowds are incredibly dangerous, particularly when they are angry and surging like that.

They were also shouting about harming her and calling her "Nazi" which is a way of dehumanising her and overcoming the taboo of hurting other people. They meant her harm.

Women turned up to speak to one another in public. If such a thing requires protesting then they could have done a silent protest, or met a bit away and had their own speeches. They didn't have to push towards a small group of women, assault them and risk a crush. They choose all of that.

I don't think we should use dehumanising language for the people who showed up and choose intimidation, violence and a reckless crush either. It lets them off the hook, each one of those people chose to be there and act like that.

If they had not done so, no publicity would have been created for some women having a meeting in a park. They aren't the smartest bunch are they?

It's useful to know though. Same in Iran, if women stayed decently veiled there'd have been no need for violence. If the Afghan women hadn't had schools, there'd have been no need to close them down.

Whatever happens, it's always women's fault.

That's an excellent article. Pretty much exposes the Real Feminists for the useless bunch of vitrue signalling wokesters that they are.

I think that it is because she isn't arguing from an academic, feminist viewpoint; she isn't an intellectual; she's not "people like us" and, clutches pearls, she openly sells merch for profit.

@MishyJDI and if your movement attracts pedophiles such as John money, Volkmar Sirtusch, Peter Tatchell, Jeffrey marsh and the mermaids dude, and rapists like IB and KD, shouldn’t you reflect on why that is. I mean if we’re playing guy I’ll by association, shouldn’t you make sure you have a pure white card to start with…..

Am I right in thinking that Labour Women's Declaration don't go in for this toxic behaviour? Their political affiliations are right there on the tin but I've never seen them have a go at KJK or put out statements distancing themselves from her or waffling about their boundaries.
It's almost as though they recognise that KJK does her thing and they do theirs.
They've signed the Sex Matters statement too, condemning the violence in New Zealand.
How effective they are within the Labour Party is another question entirely but I respect them for focusing on the job. Watch and learn WPUK and Filia.

near murder? good lord.

That's the analogy - it was KJK's pool, she went for a swim, saw it was full of uninvited sharks and jumped in anyway.

KJK has explained she was not aware the police were not present until she got to the rotunda, not visible from the street.

Pointless to explain, I know, but this 'analogy' has been trotted out repeatedly and l'm tired of it. They have no arguments. It's all so childish. "Na na, it's all her fault because X", where X is a thing that did not happen.

Yeah that's how I feel when TRAs go on about words being literal violence and how they are being genocided.

Someone suggested on another thread that the young are all off school and college this week and that the sudden influx of comments from people with poor comprehension and debating skills is a result.

Well if misgendering is literal violence and women saying no is a genocide, lesbians refusing to date males is call”apartheid and women talking about their rights are “Nazis”, surely we can refer to being pelted with soup and other liquids as “”near murder. Or is only one side of this issue allowed to use hyperbole?

@Happylittlechicken

I agree with your point, except I don't believe that “”near murder* is hyperbole.

We can see in the videos and KJK has also said that if she had tripped and fallen on the way out, she probably wouldn't have got out alive.

Again, I wonder are the people who doubt the extremely dangerous nature of that protest too young to have seen many reports of real-life crush disasters. Oldies remember the Heysel stadium and Hillsborough. They also seem keen to ignore the injuries sustained by women hit by large violent men. Shockingly irresponsible policing.

The police told her this, didn't they?

I was once on a crowd crush (before Hillsborough). At the time I was young and thought I was immortal but I can still remember people's faces, my boyfriend trying to hold me up and realising it was very, very important keep my footing.

It struck me that the politicians and the Aus/NZ media watching in real time as the wound up mob they had set on her got into its full stride and out of control, must have been shitting themselves about how they would distance themselves from Kjk's murder😮

Crush situations are particularly dangerous for smaller people, ie children, adolescents and women, hence the disproportionate numbers of adolescents and young adults amongst the Hillsborough dead.

The recent Brixton Acadamy crush killed two, both females (one woman, one person who used they/them pronouns) and another woman is still in hospital 3 months on, her condition described as ‘still critical’.

Crowd crushes are seriously scary.

Julian is, regrettably, right: we now have a situation where women ostensibly on our side have partly facilitated a climate whereby TRAs feel emboldened - indeed, that they are behaving morally - to attack women, and of course, in a crowd situation that can escalate into more extreme behaviour quite quickly. The point is not that women are to blame (plainly, men are responsible for their actions) but that some have contributed to an atmosphere where it's acceptable to dehumanise one woman under the guise of "drawing political boundaries", and that dehumanisation then becomes an exculpation for abhorrent behaviour.

Yes, that libellous blog ignited a not so insignificant part of this. The author's modus operandi is familiar - she has also inexplicably blogged about my "ex wife" and changed it to "estranged" after I objected. Even if that were true (neither were), it's an abuse of my wife's memory (and me), and an oh-so-casual remark intended to inflict distress: it is a calculating act of someone I consider abusive. And so it is with the lie that KJK was funded by the Heritage Foundation and too right wing to be associated with. Except that lie has now snowballed with far greater consequences. Why? Well, I believe the blog was timely "revenge" (it was posted when KJK could not respond mid-air) for the author not being platformed on the trip. Whatever the case, KJK is owed a public retraction and apology (as am I) that she'll never get.

Yes, I have seen KJKs husband doxed in a feminist FB group this week with no concern for safety.

As to why some have engaged in a trashing campaign that has emboldened the mob? I don't know. Jealousy is too simplistic (although there's surely some given the audience that KJK commands). They (WPUK and friends) really do believe they are acting righteously and with integrity and don't seem to understand that the abstract political game they have safely played from behind a screen has contributed to endangering, rather than helping to keep safe, women.

The same groups in Julian's article are those with which I should naturally be aligned. It's really disappointing that I don't feel able to signpost them as sources of support and friendship for women anymore. I withdrew financial support some time ago too. And it wasn't that, say, WPUK posted one blog about KJK. It was that they have now posted several, refused to condemn events whilst being very quick to condemn SFW, and have engaged in some incredibly unethical behaviour that I don't think is entirely public (the messages I received demanding an apology for outing sexual harassment or face being ousted and trashed I have made public because it was an astonishingly idiotic and hubristic thing to put in writing).

Where do I stand now? I have always supported SFW but am now more explicit about it. Of course, the narrative is that "Louise has gone crazy" rather than introspection as to why a left wing lesbian, and others like me, find them - the soc-fems broadly speaking - absolutely despicable, vindictive, malignant, individuals content to cause immense damage when that serves their vendetta.

I applaud Julian for writing this long overdue piece.

It’s so interesting that any criticism of right wing men with legitimately hateful views of women like me - Black, immigrant, from poverty, protests against police brutality (“woke”) - on this board is met with cries of “purity politics” and “right wing women are women too” and so forth but then people on this thread can talk in such foul ways about women on the left. What happened to “putting politics aside” and “the only thing that matters is standing for women’s rights” and “guilt by association” and all the rest of it?

Fighting for women’s rights isn’t a KJK fan club. I don’t have to agree with lots of her views to think the scene in NZ was legitimately frightening and that no woman should be subjected to that. It was horrifying to see people thirsting to harm her like that. But I also can be critical of her some of her views without owing her an apology just because she was victimized at that event. Why would the actions of people in NZ invalidate critique of her political positions otherwise? Isn’t claiming that anyone who disagrees with her becomes guilty by association…exactly what you critique about people calling all GC right wing Nazis?

It’s really hard not being a white woman here sometimes, my god. We’re supposed to shut up at all the sneering at “woke” and talking points about CRT that no one has actually read and the tokenizing of Black women when convenient and dismissing of “oh everyone’s a Nazi” and the threads praising the Ben Shapiro’s and Jordan Peterson’s and Daily Wire staff and Julie Burchill and people with actual records of horrible speech to people but then there’s no such courtesy the other way as this thread shows. It’s ok to sneer at leftist women as “head girls” and at anyone who raises racism or discrimination - why isn’t it “purity politics” when women here choose allegiance with right wing men over the interests of many women of colour?

I’ve bitten my tongue for ages on this and just let so many of those comments and threads pass but honestly, the bullying of women who don’t agree that we can’t critique Trans extremism AND ALSO critique right wing views that also cause harm is a lot.