Suella Braverman vows to stamp out grooming gangs behind organised child sex abuse

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The Home Secretary, writing in The Mail on Sunday, pledges to 'track down and punish the grooming gangs with the same sense of mission and determination' used to pursue the murderers of Stephen Lawrence, the black British teenager who was killed in a racially motivated attack at a bus stop in South London in 1993.

Ms Braverman, who was born in Harrow, in North-West London, to a Kenyan mother and Mauritian father, writes: 'The time has come to make right one of the greatest injustices seen in Britain in modern times. The systematic rape, exploitation and abuse of young girls by organised gangs of older men – and the disgraceful failure of the authorities to act despite ample evidence – is a stain on our country.'

A Buddhist, Ms Braverman describes the 'perpetrators' as 'groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani, who hold cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11928629/SUELLA-BRAVERMAN-mission-ensure-really-no-hiding-place-gangs-grooming-young-girls.html

I am not sure if this is just the DM take on what she said, or if it accurately reflects what she said.

If she did say this and not talk about how men of all cultures, given the opportunity, have and will exploit young women, then she is letting down all the women who are exploited.

Unfortunately, British born people did go to Syria to throw homosexuals off roofs and they would want the same for the UK.

And would they be able to do this, consequence free, in the UK just because they want the same?

@AdamRyan you sound very ignorant. Haven't you heard about the Batley Grammar school teacher? Or the woman who was forced to grovel to a bunch of men over her son dropping a copy of the Quran? You should have heard of those things because they've been talked about on this very thread. Have you heard of Samuel Paty in France? Charlie Hebdo? Of course people are fucking scared.

Don't fucking 'warn' me, you man who has never lived outside your white middle class bubble, who is ignorant about major news stories and clearly is hard of thinking outside of spewing leftist soundbites. You don't know what you're talking about.

@Howpo I can’t go over this again, I did this at the start of the thread. I copied her first paragraph specifically referencing those specific locations and grooming gangs. An opening paragraph introduces the topic to be discussed.

Good question. I mean, some people have been allowed, consequence free, to threaten the life of a teacher. Some have been allowed to run rape gangs. So who knows if there's a chance this would be okay, as long as you can claim that prosecuting it would be racist or islamophobic.

I would say that British values are very much Christian even though most people are atheists - but the head of state is the head of the church. But there are other characteristic values like irreverence, free speech, the right to roam that aren’t related to Christianity.

I haven’t heard of all but most of these. We seem poorly equipped to discuss the issues.

We are tolerant societies, possibly making it harder.

I never accused you of attacking me. I asked you how to came to make such a massive leap between what I said and how you chose to reframe it. I appreciate you actually reading at least one of my points though!

Well it's very difficult to discuss the issues when people accuse anyone who sees a problem of being racist or being a dupe for fascism. It scares people into silence. However I'd argue, as with gender stuff, there's a silent majority who will be pleased to hear SB's statement and who do want British values to be defended.

I need to sign out now so no point @ ing me as I won't see it and I expect the thread will fill up by tomorrow.

Because I wasn’t “reframing” what you said. I asked you a question then went on to talk about why integration helps. At no point did I say you were against integration. I really don’t see where you’re coming from with this, sorry.

You were asking questions of "you" which I read as you addressing them to me, since the first part of your post was addressed to me and there was no indication that you'd changed focus and the questions were now rhetorical ones or addressed to a general audience. Not sure why that's hard to understand - pretty sure anyone would have thought the same.

man who has never lived outside your white middle class bubble, who is ignorant about major news stories and clearly is hard of thinking outside of spewing leftist soundbites. You don't know what you're talking about.

OK then.
I'm concerned about incels shooting women and children on the streets.
Far right van drivers driving into clouds outside mosques.
People being murdered by vigilantes for being a paedo.
Women being sacked and hassled for stating women don't have penises
The rise of right wing ideology in this country, Brexit as a result and the impact of that on our economy leading to inflation, and increasing poverty and impacts on the vulnerable
People dying because of universal credit fuck ups
People dying because the NHS is collapsing

I'm not calling you names or implying you are stupid for not talking about those things

Yesterday a judge gave the white rapist of a 13 year old girl a suspended sentence because he was under 24. If he'd been over 24, he'd have got 4 years. Why aren't you up in arms about that?

Why aren't you up in arms about that?

What a stupid and unwarranted assumption. There is a thread about it on this board.

The thing about Braverman and her predecessor is that I think their ideas about British values are just horseshit. Truly.

I can't fathom these people because they say "British Values" and then declaim many aspects of the law in England which are fundamental to fair treatment or their endorsement of the death penalty. Those particular ideas don't seem to me to be very "British". They are things we have moved on from. We should actually be proud of not executing people or having written the ECHR.

These "British Values" seem odd. I'm all for prosecuting crime and did so for years. We just don't need to be like this to do it.

The criminal justice system needs money, the police need reform, and vulnerable young women need help, not a lot of claptrap about a Taskforce. These are long term issues which this "British Values" government could have addressed a decade ago.

I am! What on earth makes you think I'm not? Ffs. I just try to stick to the topic of a thrend. Doesn't mean I don't care about other things. Wtaf.

Thank you, yes. My previous comment was in response to this ridiculous assumption.

I really am going now!

I mean really, of all the things that alarm me about the direction of 21st century Britain and the world more generally, I don't think the risk that Britain will be taken over by islamists, or even that we will lose our values, would make the top 100.

I'm keen to understand what it is that makes you scared, if it's not manipulation of your emotions by fascist rhetoric.

Because it really does sound like you genuinely think Muslims are a huge threat to the UK and if that is what you think, that's racism by its very definition.

@LexMitior you make some good points I can generally agree with in your last comment.

I can see why you are frustrated.

I can see why people just get annoyed generally with the attempts to close down discussion

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I'm not "closing down discussion" by asking questions about why people perceive particular nationalities/religions to be a threat, despite no evidence for that position.
If people can't stand to have their opinions challenged, and don't have the evidence to back those evidence up, then maybe they need to think about whether those opinions are reasonable.

I always thought British values were recognised as tolerance, fairness and justice. I thought we were proud of our role in WW2 standing against the persecution of a race.

The kind of chat on this thread is one of the reason I now think there is no such thing as British values. Because we seem to be saying only certain people deserve to be treated like that.

As societies go yes we are tolerant.

I still think it makes sense to understand, talk about and work out how to deal with any threats.

It’s not easy, looking at the world it is today as I’d say we can be a bit too lax. But if people care it will find a way to surface.

Interestingly enough a prominent Posie-hater linked me to Mi5 stats on extremism in the UK, and it turns out that the ‘far right’ extremist activity is really negligible- the fear of them is greatly disproportionate …. Your sacred caste are the ones keeping them busy.

Did MI5 label it as negligible?

This article has a slightly different perspective.

A rise in teenagers involved with neo-Nazi groups and far-right extremism is "incredibly alarming", a counter-terrorism detective has said.
Det Supt Gareth Rees said police could not "arrest our way out of" the issue.
On Wednesday, Luca Benincasa, 20, from Cardiff, was locked up after admitting to being a member of a neo-Nazi group.
Experts called it a "hugely dangerous time", saying Covid and the cost of living crisis could push more young people towards the far-right.

Also, “sacred caste”? If that’s directed at AdamRyan’s race that’s completely out of line.