Suella Braverman vows to stamp out grooming gangs behind organised child sex abuse

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The Home Secretary, writing in The Mail on Sunday, pledges to 'track down and punish the grooming gangs with the same sense of mission and determination' used to pursue the murderers of Stephen Lawrence, the black British teenager who was killed in a racially motivated attack at a bus stop in South London in 1993.

Ms Braverman, who was born in Harrow, in North-West London, to a Kenyan mother and Mauritian father, writes: 'The time has come to make right one of the greatest injustices seen in Britain in modern times. The systematic rape, exploitation and abuse of young girls by organised gangs of older men – and the disgraceful failure of the authorities to act despite ample evidence – is a stain on our country.'

A Buddhist, Ms Braverman describes the 'perpetrators' as 'groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani, who hold cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11928629/SUELLA-BRAVERMAN-mission-ensure-really-no-hiding-place-gangs-grooming-young-girls.html

I am not sure if this is just the DM take on what she said, or if it accurately reflects what she said.

If she did say this and not talk about how men of all cultures, given the opportunity, have and will exploit young women, then she is letting down all the women who are exploited.

I think most people feel there is a lot of difference between indigenous people who were persecuted and had their land and resources seized by colonisers, and an affluent country that's invited immigrants to help with labour shortages, and provides asylum to those fleeing persecution.

Plus of course there is no such thing as an Indigenous British person, due to us being so close to Europe. Its quite a different context to NZ Maoris.

Are you ok? You keep repeating this as if it actually means something. Are we all missing something? You know that Bolton is 'up north' too right?

in trying to catch up with the thread this weird conversation about Bolton is distracting… Bolton is in the north. I live nearby… what am I missing

Obviously. It was an example. As in, victims may face the same problems in Bradford.

Also Bolton is further north than Rotherham. Just saying.

Bradford is up north. It is actually more up north than Rotherham.

Something else we need to acknowledge is Islamic extremism in the UK and the terrorism. If there is anything that is going to cause innocent people to suffer racist attacks it has been this ever present threat for the last 20 years.

I can see why as a country we have gone into overdrive to minimise any possible fall out for innocent people being attacked, but there have been side-effects of these well-intentioned measures.

Its reflexive now, and I think that’s what we’re seeing in this thread.

Although I'm enjoying everyone's bafflement, just to allow the thread to proceed with the good debate, I think Jgw is trying to make a point about how ridiculous it is to focus on Rotherham grooming gangs over Bolton grooming gangs.

Bolton is very different to Rotherham.

There have been more far right, Irish dissident and Incel terror attacks by white people in the UK in recent years than Muslim terror attacks 🤔

As is Bolton. Do you think that none of us live in the north and don't know where these places are?

@AdamRyan there’s no such thing as ‘Maoris’ we don’t have an ‘s’. It’s just Maori.
I don’t think it is different and immigrants to uk aren’t all exclusively part of these groups invited immigrants to help with labour shortages, and provides asylum to those fleeing persecution. Maori still discuss foreign investment and immigrant numbers in NZ, today, and are treated way differently about it than British people are. Obviously I know this because I’m from NZ plus a long time resident here.

That's interesting that you see parallels.

I think the Maori are justified in wanting their culture recognised. However the UK is an affluent former imperial power, with a cultural influence far beyond our size. The chances of our culture being under threat by immigrants are negligible.

The chances of our culture being under threat by immigrants are negligible.
I disagree. Also it isn’t about our culture being ‘recognised’ it’s about it being second to foreign cultures ( plural ), not just the colonisers but others since. We talk about the effect of current immigration on our culture freely and nobody calls us racist… well some do but not ‘lefty’ kind ones 😂 Recognised wouldn’t be the word I would use at all. It should be the dominant culture on our own lands. It isn’t even equal to others, still.

Quite. It’s interesting this idea that there is supposedly no such thing as ‘indigenous’ British people, when there are people (not me) who have barely moved from where their ancestors settled thousands of years ago in the UK - living under various occupations.

At what point are you slicing ‘recent’?

If this is the case, that Islamic extremism is no longer a threat, do you think it’s about time we addressed the negative outcomes of clenching so tightly, as a society, to this notion that multiculturalism is all great and with no possible downsides, and started taking an honest look at where we actually are?

It is interesting. I wonder then if there are people who see me, British with some middle eastern (and Celtic!) heritage as less “worthy” of being here, despite me having no control over where my parents lived? And my children (dual nationality) as less worthy still? I wonder how my husband and children are putting British culture under threat?

This comment is all very wonder-y insinuation.

How about coming out and saying what you want to say in good faith?

Celtic heritage people are the closest we have to indigenous. Maybe if you were a native Welsh speaker you'd have a point.

British is a melting pot of celts, picts, vikings, Saxons, Germans, flemish.

There's no such thing as "British" culture or "British" values. Scots are different to Welsh culturally. There is a North/South divide. "British" values are a mix of basic human decency and Christian values.

This thing about "indigenous British" is a far right figleave which can be uses to hide bog standard racism.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/dec/20/indigenous-britons-far-right

Or maybe you prefer a different source

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/mary-beard-is-right-roman-britain-was-multi-ethnic-so-why-does-this-upset-people-so-much-82269

@EndlessTea I thought it was quite clear. I wasn’t insinuating anything or asking in bad faith. That’s your assumption. I was asking outright if people who think multiculturalism doesn’t have “no downsides” think people like me and my children (who didn’t have any choice about where they were born) are less worthy of being in the UK?

Is that somehow inappropriate to ask that question to people who state that multiculturalism has “downsides”?

So if you live in, say Norfolk, and you help at a local archaeological dig, and it turns out from your DNA that you are a direct descendant of the 2000 year old bones dug up - does that not qualify as your being indigenous?

I think you are just biased towards indigenous people who weren’t under Roman occupation.

Do you think there is such a thing as Australian culture or American culture?

I think far right, Irish and Incel terrorism is a bigger threat in the UK in 2023 than Muslim terrorism.

I don't believe "multiculturalism" is a thing, as described above. So I'm not very interested in discussing theoretical "downsides".

@AdamRyan imagine how I feel - the Celtic DNA and Middle Eastern DNA constantly yelling at each other. Best way to cook lamb? Don’t even start 😂

Not really :)