KJK vs Keir Starmer

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https://twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1640976304773234688?cxt=HHwWgIC8rajQ9cUtAAAA

I don’t know if she can win given it’s been a Labour constituency since it was formed (in 1980s) and was held by Frank Dobson and then Keir Starmer and according to data is a ‘progressive’ constituency, average age 41 and good job security. Interestingly I can’t find data on constituency make up by sex.

I’m not sure she’s expecting to win. She knows she can cause an awful lot of disruption though. And I say bring it on!

Whoever first thought of the name for KJK's events is a stone cold certifiable genius. I can't imagine what goes inside the head of people who go and protest against a meeting called 'Let Women Speak', and yet they fall for it, every single time.

Interesting parallel.

A majority voted for Brexit, but they were wrong.

A majority are women, but they have no right to speak.

I am not making a comment on Brexit itself, but funny how some people seem so certain that their views outweigh those of others, regardless of circumstance. Undemocratic?

So pray tell us fangirls, what is this nuance you want to espouse?

If you dont name it with words we cant discuss it.

I thought KJK was one of many women doing very important work for women's rights. I have never expected any of those women to be perfect because I'm not perfect and I get really pissed off when posters pitch up with childish allegations of fan girling, please fuck off, I'm an adult I don't worship anyone.

I also defend her because I cannot stand the lies told about her. Trashing someone's reputation with lies is not a tactic I can get behind. The TRA's tell enough lies about us, we don't need to join in.

I'm also not likely to engage in a "nuanced" discussion about her methods when we are starting to make progress and all it does is give the TRA's ammunition to discredit her and by extension our arguments.

Other people are free to shoot the women's movement in both feet but do not expect me to join in.

I've said for ages (you can search back through my posting history if you like!) that a Mumsnet Party was needed - the site is so wide-ranging that we'd easily find candidates already living in every constituency (no need to parachute anyone in). Plus the experiences of women on here - as teachers, doctors, lawyers, bankers, scientists, finance experts, civils servants, military, you name it - mean we'd have little problem picking out a cabinet with actual relevant experience in their appointed position.

Bring it on!

@beastlyslumber I have been an elected city councillor in the past, and assisted with an MP's campaigning, and if I can offer any advice I'd be happy to.

I think general headings to consider are

1 Rules / admin / data
2 Campaigning (content and methods of delivery) / funding
3 Security

I'd clarify by saying that I meant "posters" on this site, rather than "women", I'm sure there are plenty of male posters on here who could prove useful candidates too😜

Nah the men can deliver all the leaflets and make out tea.

Sorry, make our tea.

And the typing, and answering the phones 😜

Que?

What do all the posters who are accusing us of fangirling actually want?

Is it for us to STFU and not support women who are prepared to put mainstream political parties to task on these issues?

It's almost as if they don't care about women's rights at all.

I personally voted Remain but have never fallen for the all ‘Brexiteers are Right Wing Racists’ smear because I know loads of Lexiteers - Labour Bennites, basically.

The difference between Labour’s 2017 position (which I will characterise as a begrudging acceptance of the result and plea for a softer Brexit) and 2019 (promise of a second referendum) is probably the biggest reason why Corbyn exceeded expectations in 2017 and got utterly trounced in 2019. They went with the Young Labour, middle class student preferred policy and fucked off their core voters.

Posie is cutting through to the mainstream because her message and delivery connect with the people that Labour is losing hand over fist, the traditional Labour working class voters in the former industrial areas who are being smeared by a new, smug, laptop class Labour that loathes the working classes and can’t even be bothered to disguise it (we’re all just gammons, karens, chavs, coconuts and Uncle Toms, no need to give a shit about us).

It’s HRC and the Deplorables and Emily Thornberry’s White Man Van over and over again.

Keir is now shitting his britches because Matthew Goodwin's excellent polling is coming back with this as a key issue amongst the people Keir needs to vote Labour.

Labour will win fuck all if all if they keep pandering to the transactivists - a super majority in London and a handful of university cities means nothing in FPTP

Penis-Havers Envelope Stuffing Session.

Apparently, the right way to do it is to have meetings, sit in rooms with women who already agree with you, pass motions, sign letters and shout out into your echo chamber. Meanwhile, the politicians continue to ignore you and even ban you from speaking at your own parties' conferences.

We have gone past the point of asking politely because it's too easy to ignore women's voices, we need the public to raise a fuss and they won't do that if they aren't even aware of it. All the filia and wpuk meetings in the world won't actually get to the people we need on our side and we are running out of time with a GE approaching.
labour is predicted to win the GE with a big majority. This would give them the ability to pass whatever motions and laws they want with impunity, they could do a lot of damage in 4 years, we basically have 18 months to raise public awareness of this assault on women's rights.

My mother always taught me the squeaky wheel gets oiled first and its a maxim that's pretty much proved true again and again throughout my life.

KJK is a squeaky wheel and she's forcing politicians to get the wd40 out and I,m here for it.

pass motions

After the last few years I will never again not read this as a ‘bowel movement’.

Sick of Labour’s shit - branch and CLP motions are about as much use as sharpie-ing a message on helium balloon and letting it fly off over the church hall.

My branch unanimously passed a motion on reserving all women shortlists for female-women and GRC holders only at least 5 years ago (ie keeping it the way everyone assumed it already was on not allowing self ID) and fuck all came of it.

Now I wouldn’t even accept the GRC holders bit. If it says women it should mean adult human females.

Campaign for a different scheme for trans representation if you want trans representation and include transmen in it if they reject their inclusion on AWS.

Just stop colonising the little bits of the world that women have fought so hard to obtain.

@reesewithoutaspoon

All the filia and wpuk meetings in the world won't actually get to the people we need on our side and we are running out of time with a GE approaching.

I think that's a very good point, regarding those organisations. KJK is a natural, she's not afraid to speak forcefully, she sticks to her guns and the matter at hand; her exasperated eye rolls are magnificent, nobody reasonable is left in doubt that she's keeping a discussion on subject, or that her opponent is talking rubbish.

She's an ordinary woman, doing extraordinary things. She has a strong media presence and is popular, she's a proven mobiliser; she's exactly the right person for the job.

I'm sure the new party can come up with policies that will appeal to voters. An end to corruption, resources spent on eliminating tax evasion, something on housing - I need to think about that one but maybe government backed bonds to build council houses and maybe get really radical and nationalise land banks without immediate compensation, although promised for the future - and some small policies like ending the parking scams, the Tories have kicked that into the long grass but that would be surprisingly popular. Millions of people pay these fines each year and most are pretty unhappy about it. An end to all government funding of diversity champions or training from Stonewall, mermaids et all and spend the money saved on expanding NHS dental services.

Ideas people?

Exactly.

One reason why Posie will make headway is that the sympathies of people like Andrew Doyle (Free Speech Nation) and Toby Young (Free Speech Union) is about Let...(people)....speak.

Women yes. Arguments that women should not speak because some self declared Nazis turned up uninvited are silly.

A great quote is Sadiq Khan's about ULEZ “Let’s be frank, let’s call a spade a spade. Some of those outside are part of the far-right. Some are Covid deniers. Some are vaccine-deniers. And some are Tories,"

Enough to get your standard van man out voting for Posie. Brexit, ULEZ, Posie. The counter arguments sound remarkably similar.

London air is polluted. Something needs to be done. But it is legitimate to argue that putting the cost on small contractors who can't afford a new van on top of Congestion Charge, Parking charges and so on, is not the right approach. Ad hominem insults by senior labour politicians in the places of ordered thinking and debate is why Keir's labour is not popular.

something on housing - I need to think about that ban overage clauses! It stops people with less money from buying unused land to self build. It’s insane. Imagine overage clauses on houses, everyone doing them up would have to give a % to former owners.

I can't remember how I found her,it might have been her first Triggernometry interview.

I still don’t quite get how antivaxx became a right wing thing? Is it just another smear?

Or is it because the libertarian faction is more visible on the right than the left?

Have we just imported another Americanism without realising that it doesn’t quite land the same here?
(See also: Critical Race Theory and terms such as ‘BIPOC’ - doesn’t really work when the ‘indigenous people’ were white, white people are not a minority, the settlers didn’t look significantly different, it all happened so long ago that no one really knows who the direct descendants of indigenous people are, and the only people who actually care are the handful of idiots who used to call themselves the BNP but keep rebranding because they know no one likes them?)

My eldest was little at the peak part of the MMR controversy (before the thorough debunking) and the people who were worried and refusing it for their kids were the crunchy, hippy, greenpeace, CND, vegetarian cafes & carrot stick mums who probably voted for the anti Iraq war Labour breakaway Respect Party or the Greens, depending on what parties were standing in their area, or didn’t vote at all.

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I linked to this on a "Conspiracy Theories" thread yesterday, but I really recommend listening to an old episode of The Infinite Monkey Cage. The author David Robert Grimes (who wrote the book The Irrational Ape, which I also recommend!) briefly talks about medical conspiracy theories and points out that they are almost entirely the preserve of the middle class - people who have the privilege of access to good quality medical care. He is quick to point out that he does not believe that we should demonise the people who fall for these theories, but that it is the people who are pedalling them that need calling out.

The Infinite Monkey Cage - Series 21 - Conspiracy Theories - BBC Sounds