NBC are quoting a police chief in Nashville...

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That's all I'm saying - Google is your friend and it's in the byline.

It’s a bit complicated to find the details because when you Google it the news reports that mention data are mostly about mass shooters which are a different category to school shooters.
These categories can overlap, but for an overlap to exist there has to be more than 4 fatalities (not including the shooter) in a school shooting.

Both categories seem to have a similar number of female perps (4 or 5) but until today, none of the female perps had committed crimes that put them in both categories (the previous transman school shooter only killed one person and most victims were only injured).

This is further complicated by some databases including college and universities in the school shootings category and others limiting the schools category to k-12 schools (US equivalent of infants to end of sixth form).

and the previous transman seems to have been recorded in the statistics as a male?

This thread is about the ambiguity of reporting of this horrific killing of people, including 3 children.

What is being highlighted here is the lack of clarity to the facts and how people can no longer trust the media. While you may fail to understand why people are posting, we fully understand the need for accuracy in how media reports news.

This includes reporting the sex of a person, and the accurate recording of that crime in the correct sex category.

You say trans people aren’t notorious for mass shootings. How notorious are female people for mass shootings when female people make up around half of the population?

Accuracy and truth in reporting around this horrific event is what is being discussed.

And yet the world, including the victims and their families, deserve to have truth and accuracy around the reporting of events being recorded in media, in police and court documents and in history.

The sex of the person needs to be accurately reported. Imagine how distressing it is for those families to have this extra layer of speculation? All because as the story unfolds media may start using chosen pronouns rather than simply referring to sex and reporting sex based pronouns.

You reduce this to gun control. And that is a significant issue. But this reporting issue is much larger than gun control. This covers all events reported in the media.

If someone cannot trust the media reporting of a verifiable biological fact, sex, why would someone trust anything that media outlet publishes?

You seem to have your own deep prejudice on display clearly in this post. Rather than making ridiculous assumptions, maybe you should read why people are discussing issues such as ensuring children and adolescents receive evidence based treatments suited to their unique needs. Along with ensuring all children are properly safeguarded and that children and adolescents who have declared trans identities are not in danger due to loopholes in safeguarding. And that where sex based rights for all females, of any gender, are important, that those rights are prioritised over gender.

Rather than making accusations that we should be ashamed of ourselves, maybe you should seek to understand. And there are parents who post on this board who do have children or loved ones who have said they are trans. It seems you are the one who seems to be lacking in information.

Actually, no, this thread was made to point out how the crimes committed by transwomen are being blamed on females and upping their statistic. Except the OP was mistaken and this actually was a crime committed by an actual female. Nothing about this is out of sympathy for the people who died. Granted, I haven't checked, but maybe I'm wrong and all school shootings in America get discussed on this Women's Rights subforum.

Granted, I haven't checked, but maybe I'm wrong and all school shootings in America get discussed on this Women's Rights subforum.

Don’t be daft. We only discuss serious incident school shootings that are specifically relevant to the Sex and Gender topic.

The Violence Project defines a school shooting as ‘when a gun is brandished, is fired, or a bullet hits school property for any reason, regardless of the number of victims, time, or day of the week’

There have been 2,300 such incidents since 1970.
I doubt there are any Internet forums of any type where all of them are discussed.

https://k12ssdb.org/methodology-1

And the OP had continued posting as more confusion has come to light which shows exactly what I talked about in my post.

What did you think I missed?

And when there is reason to discuss the sex and gender aspect to a horrific shooting, it may well be discussed here. If there is no sex and gender aspect but a general feminist aspect it still might be discussed here because this is where the traffic is.

You clearly have your own views about what should and shouldn’t be discussed about this incident. Why do you think that truth and accuracy in the media reporting is not important?

For instance, if there is a growth in female shooters, why? What is happening to cause female people to start acting like this?

And if it is true that 2 out of the 5 female shooters in history are trans people, why is that? Are their mental health issues being overlooked and not treated ? Is this trauma related that is being overlooked and not supported? Is there something else that could be causing this?

Nothing about this is out of sympathy for the people who died

There are different aspect to this incident that are relevant to be discussed on this board. It doesn’t state that it is a support thread.

And if it is true that 2 out of the 5 female shooters in history are trans people

The figures are very murky.

Different databases use different parameters.

If we are looking at the category of mass shooters, it’s only 1 transman perp.

If it’s school shooters, it’s 2 transman perps.

As far as I can tell, this is the first ever adult female mass shooter (more than 4 fatalities) who targeted school children in a K-12 school.

Other female school shooters had fewer fatalities and were teens who targeted their same age peers.

Eg the other transman school-shooter murderer, had a male accomplice, killed one person (and injured 6) was 16 at the time of the crime and the victims were aged between 15-18.

Seems quite different (from a criminology point of view) to this person, who was 28 and targeted 9 year olds (and their teachers).

It’s my understanding that until today there has never been a female adult mass shooter who targeted children.

(there is also a couple of female shooters on record who killed 3 victims and thus don’t officially qualify as ‘mass shooters’).

Thanks crypto.

I’m trying my best to keep us all factual but boy do these murky statistics and arbitrary and inconsistent categorisations make it bloody difficult!

One thing seems pretty constant across all categories is the percentage split of male/female perps, which is (unsurprisingly) 98% male.

Men retain male patterns of violence when the tske cross sex hormones. Women acquire them

I don't know why my photos aren't working.

I wonder if there’s a difference between the crime rates for females who identify as transgender before they begin the transition ? ie is this a chicken or egg. Are the females who identify as trans more likely to have higher crime rates anyway? Or is it a product of transition? IDK if I’m making sense.

Aren't you using this tragedy to score points too?

Would you be here if you didn't see this as a way to criticise people interested in women's rights?

Why are you here rather than on other threads about this horrific crime? (Or do other threads also discuss the sex of the shooter because it is very relevant).

I was going to ask if you would be on this forum and support it's aims without this shooting, but I won't bother now. Later posts make it clear where you stand. Not surprised.

There's a heavy crossover between trans-identified people, antifa, severe mental health problems and a love of violent weapons. Try telling the trans antifa in Portland or Seattle that they can't have guns and bombs. They're like Charlton Heston with nail varnish.

@Helleofabore i heard of this tragic shooting last night (World Service) the reporter was clear, she carried out the shooting.

This morning, Sky News reported a biological woman who identified as a man, did the killing.

I felt that on both occasions, i was well informed.

But any confusion is likely to be because of the very recent timescales of the shooting and dissecting the facts from rumour.

TBH our thoughts should be with the victims and their families, rather than focusing on the piece of scum that is Audrey Hale.

Rubbish, trans people are far far more likely to victims then perpetrators of violence.

Just listening to LBC and Nick Ferrari being given a hard time by a listener for even mentioning that this women pretended to be male and used he/him pronouns. Odd because if the shooter was a transwoman then NO ONE would dare to use he/him pronouns for him in the media. Even penis wielding rapists are she/her.
They want this woman in their stats as female to 'prove' that women are as violent as men.
Misogyny every which way isn't i?

You clearly know nothing about the stats of sex offenders in prison who are male claiming to be female. Much higher than the general male prison population. It may shock you.

Exactly.

Artificial testosterone above normal levels has been reported to massively increases aggression in women. So actually it would be an important take away, and one that if ignored endangers all potential future victims.

Rubbish, trans people are far far more likely to victims then perpetrators of violence.

Evidence please? Which I know will never be provided but I'll request anyway. 🥱

They really aren't. Men identifying as women offend at a very high rate.

Nail. On. Head.

"Claiming" but not always genuine!

The stats on violence against trans are well reported and researched.