NBC are quoting a police chief in Nashville...

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That's all I'm saying - Google is your friend and it's in the byline.

Biologically you wouldn't expect that to be the case. We know that testosterone is highly related to violent crime. If men take drugs to suppress testosterone they generally do fewer violent crimes. It's possible that there's other factors related to being trans that also affect crimes (feeling outcast, getting caught up in a violent movement, or trans identity being latched into by sex offenders in response to bad feelings about themselves, etc) But I think the statistics are a complete mess tbh. Trans identity doesn't seem to be fixed for many people and it's not helped by the trans movement hijacking language to such an extent that the media reporting cases aren't clear whether they're describing a male or a female.

BBC have now edited their own coverage to remove any pronouns or description of the shooter as either a man or a woman - presumably not wanting to get it wrong.

The stats on violence against trans are well reported and researched.

Link them then.

Bit of an own goal there, you just admitted that predatory males will abuse Self ID for nefarious purposes. If the TWAW/TMAM brigade can’t differentiate between “true trans” and grifters then Self ID is totally flawed and should not form the basis of any laws/policy.

Please don’t tell me where my thoughts should be. My thoughts can be several places at the same time.

While this incident has been reported as female on some services on others it is confusing. You only have to look at reports around other crimes to understand why people are suspicious.

Thanks. I wondered why, as a rapist, he appeared to have robbed but not sexually assaulted his tied-up victim. Makes more sense if he's a straight man and his victim was male.

https://mobile.twitter.com/collinwood_j/status/1640518888851898370/photo/1
So this is doing the rounds on Twitter. It appears to be genuine though I can't confirm as the original account is private. It's being shared by tras who clearly agree with it.

How do you know they aren’t genuine? How do you identify a genuine trans person? How do you define trans?

I now suspect that trans people are more likely to report a crime and have that crime investigated and receive justice than women are.

Having stood holding hands with other women to surround women speaking recently against trans activists screaming abuse and intent on silencing women, while the people allowed that abuse to be yelled, I suspect women are a long way from having the hate crimes carried out against them taken seriously.

I suspect that one of the reasons there has been so much confusion regarding name/sex/gender is that this person was either extremely new to social transition or was only using a male name online.

All the professionals, family, friends and neighbours interviewed so far have used the person’s birth name.

This doesn’t mean anything re: hormones though - lots of trans people in the US seem to take cross sex hormones for quite a while before changing name/updating paperwork etc.

Oh, and in case anyone is wondering why my mass shooter stats upthread are much lower than the massive ‘there have already been X mass shooting THIS YEAR’ numbers, it’s because some databases don’t discern between types of mass shootings, and include things like gang related multiple murders and family annihilation crimes.

All murders are a tragedy and bereavement via murder is hellish for loved ones left behind (some of you will remember that my family lost someone to a random wrong place, wrong time murder) so when I’ve been trying to parse the data it’s purely on the basis of specific offence type.

Thankfully, this type of crime, the mass shooting of strangers in a public place, is the least common type of mass shooting, although it is the type that gets the most press attention.

What have I just read? "Left with no choice"?

So, agree with and do everything we say or we might be left with no choice but to shoot your children?

This is terrorism.

Ultimately thats not the fault of trans people, crime generally is not reported, even Sunak said that yesterday.

We have a vote and we voted for Austerity and continued to vote to slash police numbers, the criminal justice system and legal aid.

The lack of action on rape and violence against women is shocking, 1% received justice and we have a Police force that believes 99% are regretful sex, we also voted to have a system where if the attacker says "Sorry" he will receive no sentence.

But none of this is the fault of Trans people, its not either or!!

Everyone should receive justice and violence against anyone should not be accepted as the norm but we seem to be going back to an age where it is.

I wasn't aware i told you what your thoughts were, i just told you that the two news outlets i listened too reported accurately.

They can xxxx right off with with that, evil murders carried out by a deranged individual.

The world is a better place that she is no longer in it.

No other choice??? what about the choices of those killed? they don't matter do they!!!!

I am addressing your point about “Rubbish, trans people are far far more likely to victims then perpetrators of violence.”

But let’s see the evidence you have based your statement on.

I’ve seen the footage of him entering the primary school and it’s chilling. Defenceless kids at the mercy of an adult rival.

If the shooter is indeed a trans man, then he should be marked as a male violence stat, that’s how it works right?

I feel I’ve got compassion fatigue on Americans/gun issue. This keeps happening and America do nothing about it, each time the world gets angry and nothing bloody changes.
So I’m done- crack on America.

Not rival was meant to say *shooter

'you made me do it'.

As someone said upthread this is terrorism.

Absolutely disgraceful statement.

Are you trying to make excuses for thhe shooter?!!!!

At least no one has tried to smear the children as fascist oppressors. Not yet, anyway.

I don't think the first thought for the victims and their families will be "I hope it was a man" What a bizarre thought.

@CryptoFascistMadameCholet thank you for your middle of the night detective work. My jumbled brain thanks you.

@ancientgran and others assuming they know my thought processes:

Me: Reads initial report about the shooting, very sketchy details
Me: fucking hell this is awful, those poor kids / parents, I can't believe the US aren't doing anything about guns

Me: reads later headline confirming that it was a female shooter
Me: I don't believe that based on what's happening recently I bet it will end up being revealed to be a man

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Indeed. In the UK, more transwomen have committed murder than been the victims of murder. (In some cases, both the murderer and murderee were trans.)

Absolutely disgraceful statement.
Agreed. It should not be allowed to stand.

That is a valid question, yes. Along with "what was the shooter's motive?"