Boycott New Zealand

[Clymene]

Let's hit the state sanctioned violence against women where it hurts - in their pockets.

Off the top of my head:

Wine - Oyster Bay, Villa Maria, the Ned, Wairau Cove, Brancott Eatate, Cloudy Bay
Lamb - check the label to make sure it's British
Manuka honey and ordinary honey - M&S stock quite a few.
Wool
Allbirds shoes
Canterbury clothing.

Have I missed anything?

Also write to the PM: [email protected]
Minister for trade: [email protected]

And tell them you're boycotting and why. There's no point if they don't know you're doing it!

Maybe @Clymene you could read about Eli Rubashkyn (the juice thrower) and it might put some context around why they threw the juice. And no, I’m not condoning what they did and I suspect most NZers don’t either but it does give some understanding.

To compare the situation of woman in NZ to woman in Afghanistan is quite ridiculous and frankly disrespectful of our Afghanistan sisters who suffer the most horrendous human rights abuses.

As I said, in 1964 Afghanistan made men and women equal in law. Women could wear what they want.

You are naïve if you think women's rights can't be taken away in other places. You are doubly so if you do not see this is what TRAs want.

Note: TRAs not trans people.

Oh Jesus, it was a joke. 🙄 We share domestic chores but only one of us has expensive merino wool jumpers from merino sheep in NZ, that will shrink to comedy sizes if the migrate to the dryer pile, and it's not me. Unclench.

@FourTeaFallOut

I'm glad you came back, we need a few laughs.

What ‘hate’ was she spreading @Mamaneedsadrink ? Do tell us. I happen to agree that women need safe spaces and what happened in New Zealand backs that up !

Brain washed by your media I see. She does not align with nazis and you know it. Luckily we are further down the line in the U.K. with all this nonsense and can see it clearly for what it is.

So @Mamaneedsadrink what would have happened in NZ if a woman had demanded single sex spaces before last week? Not “woman only” as that would provably include males, but single sex? Would they have been allowed to ban males?

Do you believe that male-bodied people should have unquestioned, unfettered access to all women’s single sex spaces @Mamaneedsadrink?

You'll find that many left-wing women in NZ are much the same as they are in the UK, Oz, US etc these days.

They are more than happy to forfeit any and all sex-based rights for themselves and their daughters. In many ways they're the equivalent of the conservative women in Iran, Afghanistan etc, who back their patriarchal governments and condemn the female protesters.

They are more than happy to accept that "trans women are women", even though one can't be a trans woman unless one is male, which they think is fair enough because it's only the women who are male who should have the authority to define women and dictate women's rights and boundaries.

Well, I am a dyed-in-the-wool left leaning Kiwi woman, and I long since peaked.

Maybe there is hope, and I’m just ahead of the curve.

I did used to #bekind - but the profond misogyny and homophobia inherent in transactivism made me change my mind.

https://www.youtube.com/live/qKvpwpfX7-g?feature=share

Watch from 9.40 in particular

I'm not going to list all of the inclusions but I can say there are some easily noticeable and some that are very much there, but maybe not so noticeable.

A big change thats been happening quietly, but noticeably is that many publicly accessible toilets now have 3 options. his. hers. theirs. and often just theirs. All seperated rooms, one toilet per room.

There are most definitely spaces that are women only, especially in the rape and refuge spaces. There are also spaces that welcome transwomen into them. And the users of these spaces have choices. And to be honest if a transwoman passes so well that I cannot tell she's not biologically female? Then she is welcome to that space. I've had reason to use these services and I can confirm that it was clarified with me which scenario I would be comfortable with and my need at that time to be nowhere near any biological men was respected.

I have had need of medical, therapeutic, police and court spaces throughout a horrendous few years, and ongoing, and I can confirm that I have been able to access female only spaces. There were many times when I was asked if I would be comfortable sharing a space and when I declined this wasn't an issue and I was able to access the service I needed without issue, and without being made to feel bad. The times when I didn't decline I was still treated respectfully.

I've also observed it from the other side, helping support friends who are LGBTQI+ and also transpeople, to access services and they have been provided with similar options. It's not as black and white as the media (social and mainstream) like to portray.

Communal changing spaces there aren't any issues here at the moment. Our changing rooms tend to have a lot of cubicles to use as well, and we tend to be on the shy side when getting changed anyway.

Prisons? No doubt it will happen one day. However at the moment due to severe shortages in guard staff the prisons are actually really easily able to manage segregating groups as they can only supervise so many at a time.

There are government working groups looking at all of the options for addressing all of these sorts of issues at present. It's not an easy fix and yes there will be issues, but overall, we are ok. We are safe. And the transpeople are safe as well.

We haven't had the scale of legal changes you have as at this stage, and hopefully we won't. Hopefully any changes made here will be more thought out and reflective of the entire nation.

There is a very small but vocal minority who just like to protest and get violent and often join protests and events just because they can. That does not mean they stand for the LGBTQI+ community, or even agree with the side they stood on. They just like to agitate. The Wellington parliamentary protests same thing occured.

@suggestionsplease1

Saying some men are creepy isn't what I would call hate speech. Could you quote because maybe I'm not seeing what you are.

Oh and the 'racist hand gesture' was her pulling the zip on her top.

white power gesture with and without blur.

That video clip is the very definition of hate speech.

I'm sorry you are unable to see it.

Please watch this news report. I mean really watch it with a critical eye. The bias of this media report is shocking. I mean truly dreadful. Probably even worse than the US media bias.

The report focuses almost exclusively on the people, who’ve arrived to protest against KJK, because they’ve been told she’s anti trans. Just suspend the thought for a moment that maybe she isn’t anti trans and ask what the thousands upon thousands, who arrived to demonstrate against the current status quo in NZ?

The reporter doesn’t even once bother, not once, to interview any of those thousands upon thousands of protesters, who’ve arrived holding banners, marching for KJK’s presence, because they want to protect children. Look, really look, at how little time the coverage is of those people. No zooming in at all or even getting close enough to read their banners. Then contrast that with the people protesting against her presence.

The only thing we see close up is a group of men dancing the Hakka. Is this to make the NZ population think it’s only Māori men, who are objecting to what is happening in your country? I’m wondering what showing these men is supposed to represent from the media perspective. I can’t come up with anything positive because for me, based on history, it’s a bad look.

At some stage, the reporter gabbles the words super fast (blink and you’ll miss it) they’re there to protest the sexualisation of children (which incidentally is what’s printed on all those banners). It’s obvious the reporter doesn’t believe or understand this issue at all and hasn’t even tried. She’s very young and her inexperience shows.

KJK wasn’t there as a colonising force and to tell your country what to think, neither is she anti trans as described. She was invited there by Kiwis to let NZ women speak to give THEM a platform to tell all of YOU what is going on in YOUR country.

KJK has been portrayed as pro Nazi and inviting ultra right wing males to attend. This is categorically untrue and she has denied this. She didn’t invite them, in the same way she didn’t invite those, who launched massive demonstration against her presence.

If this is news report is representative of what New Zealanders are being fed, I’m not surprised so many New Zealanders are A OK with what just happened. Your country appears to be sleep walking into a disaster for women and children. Perhaps you’re not aware of this, but some of those children in western countries have now grown up and are starting to realise just what was done to them as children.

"hate speech, speech or expression that denigrates a person or persons on the basis of (alleged) membership in a social group identified by attributes such as race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age, physical or mental disability, and others."

https://www.britannica.com/topic/hate-speech

This isn't the 1940s: the UK can't get all colonial on us and tell us how to think. Someone called kiwis smug upthread: how bloody smug is it to tell us how to live in our country? We are free thinkers and will make up our own mind... and that mind resoundedly told Posey Parker to take her transphobic ideas and go home.

You forget that a decent proportion of us have lived in the UK and know exactly what it's like: I spent ten years there and was back last year. I doubt that many of you could say the same about New Zealand.

Telling us you're ahead of the curve over there and one day we'll wake up to what you're saying? Okay, coloniser 🙄

Let women speak! It is quite simple, application is provided along with a youtube channel to enable any NZ women speak to the world about their experiences there and they were silenced.

NZ should be ashamed.

Amplification is provided

The arrests will happen. Unfortunately it can seem like NZ Police take their time with these things, but the arrests will happen. They tend to review all sources of information available to them, including media, and social media to gain a clear image of the situation first. But they do act.

They should have acted much quicker in general at the event, but they weren't prepared for the scale of what happened.

Well said!

Boycott UK and their superiority complex over the rest of the world.
you lot must be bored, we had a us bashing the other week. NZs turn now. Australia must be next.
get over yourselves. Yeah you are smug, at least I can walk alone at night in my big Australian city.

I don’t know how they’re ok with it.

TRA punching a 70 year old woman, the mob rule, and they care about not letting women speak more.