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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Boycott New Zealand

694 replies

Clymene · 26/03/2023 16:48

Let's hit the state sanctioned violence against women where it hurts - in their pockets.

Off the top of my head:

Wine - Oyster Bay, Villa Maria, the Ned, Wairau Cove, Brancott Eatate, Cloudy Bay
Lamb - check the label to make sure it's British
Manuka honey and ordinary honey - M&S stock quite a few.
Wool
Allbirds shoes
Canterbury clothing.

Have I missed anything?

Also write to the PM: [email protected]
Minister for trade: [email protected]

And tell them you're boycotting and why. There's no point if they don't know you're doing it!

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Ndd135632 · 27/03/2023 05:14

Posie has played a blinder. The world’s eyes are now on New Zealand and the often violent misogyny that is gender ideology.

LunaTheCat · 27/03/2023 05:17

Bowlofporridge · 27/03/2023 01:56

NZ woman here. Currently feel very safe, thank you very much, as do all my female friends. Yes, we are urban, educated women, but from all sides of the political spectrum. Feel very proud that we stood by our transgender sisters, and can't help but laugh at how much this has caused the UK to froth: why are you so concerned about us? Focus on your own country, and the climate of fear in which you are living. We are absolutely fine, and proud to be leading the world in female rights again. Mumsnet does not represent the way the huge majority of my friends feel, and Posey Parker most definitely does not speak for me: the coloniser arrogance...

boycott away!

Absolutely this!

sashh · 27/03/2023 05:27

GADDay · 27/03/2023 04:19

I must be missing something. Are you seriously trying to say that Lesbian Women can't talk to one another in NZ.

😕 😕 😕 😕

Did you see the mob that stopped women from speaking to each other? The violence? The assaults? The spitting?

And don't think your rights have been won and can't be taken away. In 1960s Afghanistan women if they chose to, wore miniskirts and could take their children to the cinema.

They had the right to vote, to education, in 1964 they became equals of men, that's 12 years before the UK.

goodnightkiwi · 27/03/2023 05:29

Clymene · 26/03/2023 22:46

Because the police let men assault women. They were also going to deny a woman an entry visa, searched her on entry, cancelled her hotel room and left aggressive messages under her hotel room door.

New Zealand is not a safe country for women. I feel really sorry for the women who are stuck there. It's a horrendous dangerous country. Not much bette than Afghanistan.

@Clymene
What are earth are you on about?

sashh · 27/03/2023 05:30

goodnightkiwi · 27/03/2023 05:29

@Clymene
What are earth are you on about?

Posie Parker.

What are you talking about?

goodnightkiwi · 27/03/2023 05:35

@Clymene
where are you getting your information from?

PriOn1 · 27/03/2023 05:41

”We still very much have single sex spaces and those aren't going anywhere. There have been expansions to make some spaces more inclusive. But we can still find women only spaces, all over the place.”

Single sex women’s spaces would be spaces only used by the female sex. If men who claim they are women are entitled to use them, then no, you do not have single sex spaces. They are now mixed sex, albeit with only a few men.

What are these expansions you mention @hazeleyednerd

I suspect you have the same as I have in Norway: mixed sex spaces that are largely still used by women, with the number of men using them still being so small that it is largely invisible. Which means the majority of women won’t even notice.

Unfortunately, for those who do notice, for example the Norwegian woman who found a fully intact naked man in the communal “women’s” changing room she was using, the situation is pretty unpleasant as such women no longer have the right to remove these men.

Of course, the worst affected women are those with the least power. Women who have been affected by domestic abuse can no longer access women’s refuges that are guaranteed free of men. Raped women can no longer be guaranteed help in a women-only environment. And women in prison might find themselves interacting daily with male people, including in the showers. Those women, some of the most vulnerable, who have often been abused by men outside prison are now incarcerated with men, including rapists and murderers.

So if you accept that men who claim they are women, are actually women, and should have access to all women’s spaces, then that is what you are supporting. It might be largely invisible to you, but there will be women less fortunate than you, whose lives will be profoundly affected. My life has been unaffected so far, but I cannot support the legal changes that have been made.

TerfIngOnTheBeach · 27/03/2023 05:44

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This. 👏

how any woman can be proud that one of their mothers was repeatedly punched in the face by an AGP man in the support of the trans community, the community who silence women talking about their concerns and loss of rights, it is mind blowing.

Zee, zem, zir has no idea what damage is done and how bad it will get.

Mamaneedsadrink · 27/03/2023 05:44

Clymene · 26/03/2023 22:46

Because the police let men assault women. They were also going to deny a woman an entry visa, searched her on entry, cancelled her hotel room and left aggressive messages under her hotel room door.

New Zealand is not a safe country for women. I feel really sorry for the women who are stuck there. It's a horrendous dangerous country. Not much bette than Afghanistan.

This comment is nuts.
I live in NZ and I'm a woman and it's great. I'm sure statistically it's safer than the UK.
Also she wasn't welcome here because she was spreading hate, borderline between free speech and hate speech, and its unfortunate a few people made it violent. Stop the hysteria 🙄

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 27/03/2023 05:53

Mamaneedsadrink · 27/03/2023 05:44

This comment is nuts.
I live in NZ and I'm a woman and it's great. I'm sure statistically it's safer than the UK.
Also she wasn't welcome here because she was spreading hate, borderline between free speech and hate speech, and its unfortunate a few people made it violent. Stop the hysteria 🙄

Please share one tweet or YouTube clip - anything - where Posie Parker / KJK spreads hate.

Please: share @Mamaneedsadrink

sashh · 27/03/2023 05:54

Mamaneedsadrink · 27/03/2023 05:44

This comment is nuts.
I live in NZ and I'm a woman and it's great. I'm sure statistically it's safer than the UK.
Also she wasn't welcome here because she was spreading hate, borderline between free speech and hate speech, and its unfortunate a few people made it violent. Stop the hysteria 🙄

Her 'hate' is that men are not women and that women should be allowed to meet and have single sex spaces.

Your media is so biased it is off the scale.

NZ women wanted to meet KJK and to speak about their own experiences and they were prevented from doing so.

You are not safe. You just don't know it.

JacobsCrackersCheeseFogg · 27/03/2023 05:55

No boycott from me, because I find myself not actually buying any Kiwi stuff. I have some plastic sandwich boxes made in NZ but they're ancient. I can't afford a holiday to NZ so no point there.

I'm fortunate to live about five miles as the crow flies from the NZ High Commission so I'm thinking what I can do to let them know what I think.

I will be going on KJK's website to buy some stuff though.

Athrawes · 27/03/2023 05:56

NZ woman here.

Posey Parker has done tremendous harm to free speech in Australia and NZ. By associating herself with repellent right wing Nazis, she has very effectively forced people to choose sides in what is actually a far more nuanced debate than the media would have us believe.

She has created, and revelled in creating, a situation where if, as a woman, you suggest that single sex spaces and provision is a desirable situation, you are seen to be aligned to Nazism.

Her posturing has resulted in silencing of women.

sashh · 27/03/2023 05:57

Athrawes · 27/03/2023 05:56

NZ woman here.

Posey Parker has done tremendous harm to free speech in Australia and NZ. By associating herself with repellent right wing Nazis, she has very effectively forced people to choose sides in what is actually a far more nuanced debate than the media would have us believe.

She has created, and revelled in creating, a situation where if, as a woman, you suggest that single sex spaces and provision is a desirable situation, you are seen to be aligned to Nazism.

Her posturing has resulted in silencing of women.

Do you mean the Nazi guys who were not invited and not wanted but who the police allowed to stand on stairs and give a nazi saloute?

She had condemned them.

JacobsCrackersCheeseFogg · 27/03/2023 05:58

Athrawes · 27/03/2023 05:56

NZ woman here.

Posey Parker has done tremendous harm to free speech in Australia and NZ. By associating herself with repellent right wing Nazis, she has very effectively forced people to choose sides in what is actually a far more nuanced debate than the media would have us believe.

She has created, and revelled in creating, a situation where if, as a woman, you suggest that single sex spaces and provision is a desirable situation, you are seen to be aligned to Nazism.

Her posturing has resulted in silencing of women.

She doesn't align with Nazis. That's what your papers told you.

Kleinenichy · 27/03/2023 05:59

Whaeanui · 26/03/2023 19:50

I’m a kiwi and I don’t buy many NZ products because it’s better to buy British when I live here!
The only thing I would say is, that most of those TRA’s are city based, lots of them from the capital. The rest of the country may be quite naive about the issue and quite a lot of kiwis are horrified at the violence too. The wine area of Hawkes bay just had a massive cyclone and they had nothing to do with the protests. Farmers would have zero clue about this. They are also maligned in the media when they protest which they’ve been doing in recent months. Something to bear in mind.

Once the farmers see their profits dropping off a cliff the government will see their tax revenue dropping, the farmers can then take the opportunity to pressure them to allow lesbians to meet in public again.

BigCheeseSandwich · 27/03/2023 06:03

“New Zealand is not a safe country for women. I feel really sorry for the women who are stuck there. It's a horrendous dangerous country. Not much bette than Afghanistan.”

😂

Small city Kiwi here. I walk places alone at night, my young teen DDs go into town on their own, go off on their own at weekends.

We are far from perfect, but the only place I have been abused/followed/sexually assaulted was during my decade in the UK.

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 27/03/2023 06:05

Athrawes · 27/03/2023 05:56

NZ woman here.

Posey Parker has done tremendous harm to free speech in Australia and NZ. By associating herself with repellent right wing Nazis, she has very effectively forced people to choose sides in what is actually a far more nuanced debate than the media would have us believe.

She has created, and revelled in creating, a situation where if, as a woman, you suggest that single sex spaces and provision is a desirable situation, you are seen to be aligned to Nazism.

Her posturing has resulted in silencing of women.

FFS. Apply some critical thinking.

She has roundly denounced Nazism and does not align with them in the least.

There is footage of her saying this. She said it to Kim Hill on Morning Report on Friday!

Google it. 😔

Mamaneedsadrink · 27/03/2023 06:06

sashh · 27/03/2023 05:54

Her 'hate' is that men are not women and that women should be allowed to meet and have single sex spaces.

Your media is so biased it is off the scale.

NZ women wanted to meet KJK and to speak about their own experiences and they were prevented from doing so.

You are not safe. You just don't know it.

I have no doubt that the media is biased. NZ has its problems like anywhere, but generally we're nice to others. I don't know anyone who hate transgender people like I've seen on mumsnet. Given so many transgender people attempt and commit suicide I don't think it's a "lifestyle" many are choosing for fun. Saying NZ is like Afghanistan is beyond ridiculous

Clymene · 27/03/2023 06:06

You're sure statistically it's safer than the U.K. @Mamaneedsadrink? Worst rate of domestic violence out of all OPEC countries.

I've seen at least two women assaulted in broad daylight, and as far as I know, no arrests have been made. One of the perpetrators has even done interviews laughing about the assault.

So, no I don't think it's safer. I think it's a country where MVAW is state sanctioned.

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TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 27/03/2023 06:10

I am a woman.

A kiwi woman.

I don’t want male-bodied people in my single sex spaces. It’s nothing personal, I just don’t. It makes me very, very uncomfortable. Scream in my face and threaten me: it won’t stop me feeling like this.

I am NOT a ‘Nazi’. That people now think I am for holding this opinion is like something out of a dystopian nightmare.

We all KNOW no-one would have thought me a ‘Nazi’ for holding this opinion 10-20 years ago. People would have thought I was normal.

I can’t believe what is happening in front of my own eyes. Day is night, and night is day. The earth is flat and men are women.

sashh · 27/03/2023 06:13

Mamaneedsadrink · 27/03/2023 06:06

I have no doubt that the media is biased. NZ has its problems like anywhere, but generally we're nice to others. I don't know anyone who hate transgender people like I've seen on mumsnet. Given so many transgender people attempt and commit suicide I don't think it's a "lifestyle" many are choosing for fun. Saying NZ is like Afghanistan is beyond ridiculous

I've actually been shocked by it. It's like fox on steroids.

It's all "Anti trans protester" this that and the other, that is not what PP is.

I don't know who these people are, but the woman in the orange jacket speaks well. The one in green is reciting Stonewall lies as though they are fact.

MPs weigh in on free speech debate following Posie Parker protests

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https://youtu.be/OhMDbx3umoU

3littlebeans · 27/03/2023 06:13

Gosh it's like Turkeys voting for Christmas.

To see Posie assaulted and strand by as if this is okay?! And to watch sex based rights erode without even caring 😔

sashh · 27/03/2023 06:15

Oh and I forgot to add, trans people DO NOT commit suicide at higher rates than other people, it just isn't true.

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