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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Kellie-Jay Queen

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Soontobe60 · 25/03/2023 21:53

This woman has shown just how magnificent she can be in the face of hateful misogyny. When most of us might want to run away from such abuse and attacks, she stands strong.
History is full of such women. Let’s post photos of those Queens who stand up for women.

Kellie-Jay Queen
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TomPinch · 26/03/2023 09:20

Whaeanui · 26/03/2023 09:05

Apologies @TomPinch I thought you were living there and not kiwi. . I doubt this is accurate but I see no public contradiction. Because nz media wouldn’t publish it. The fact is every Maori I know, thinks that thinking is stupid and we know it isn’t true. We have no records ti even show that so how would anyone know? Fa’afafine is being appropriated to try and claim it was throughout our cultures pre colonisation, and they are also misrepresenting Samoan culture by claiming Fa’afafine are the same as modern transgenderism. Which is not true. Nobody in Samoan culture thinks you can change sex. Everyone in Polynesia is well aware of how babies are made and that sex is binary.

@Whaeanui

Thanks - I suspected this was so and I accept what you say, and I will acknowledge that I don't get to hear the discussions on marae.

Whatthechicken · 26/03/2023 09:22

TheWayOfTheWorld · 26/03/2023 08:59

I think a discussion on LinkedIn is quite significant, real names, job titles etc. loads of men denouncing the action of the mob. I honestly think she has woken so many up and whilst the TRAs are busy gloating, they just can’t yet see the clarity she has brought - without even saying a word.

A woman enabling other women to speak. Very powerful.

Artisticpaint · 26/03/2023 09:24

KJK is so strong, after seeing her bravery I think I’ll go along to one of her Let Women Speak events. If she’s brave be enough, I think am too, courage calls to courage

MarshaBradyo · 26/03/2023 09:25

I was horrified by the violence at the event and footage

But seeing this image it’s a woman rising up again after nearly being crushed

It’s giving me hope again that we have a voice

beastlyslumber · 26/03/2023 09:31

It's tremendously inspiring! I think I will buy another t-shirt today. That's a good way to support KJK and spread the word!

Whatthechicken · 26/03/2023 09:35

I think we all need to be a little more Kellie - Jay in the coming weeks.

WarriorN · 26/03/2023 09:39

The Māori equivalent of Elaine Miller!!! 👏 🎉

Women on polar opposites of the world championing women's rights!

Love this!

WarriorN · 26/03/2023 09:39

Whaeanui · 26/03/2023 09:14

The OP asked for photos of other Queens if I understand correctly? I hope I haven’t misunderstood as I don’t want to derail but I thought this apt.

My personal icon, my absolute shero my whole life, is Maori and women’s rights activist, Dame Whina Cooper. Please look her up, she’s amazing! She founded the Maori womens welfare league, which my grandmother was also a founding member of.

Women traditionally couldn’t speak on marae, but that didn’t stop her. She tells a story of attending a huge hui ( meeting ) with hundreds of people. She stands to speak and the men try to stop her speaking! Yes. So she said, ‘ I had to lift up my skirts and remind them of where they all came from!’

Sorry was supposed to be a quote!

FrancescaContini · 26/03/2023 09:43

I have the utmost respect for her. Having an unknown red liquid poured over you by a total stranger who unexpectedly rushes up to you must have been totally terrifying. 💐

Whaeanui · 26/03/2023 09:44

Another Kiwi Queen! Eva Richard, an activist for Maori land rights and women’s rights within Maoridom who was most known for the raglan golf course occupation and whose methods included civil disobedience.

I have chosen this photo because I’m in the crowd! It was one of the highlights of my life hearing her speak.

Kellie-Jay Queen
Ohyoudodoyou · 26/03/2023 09:45

If you look at all the comments on Billy Bragg's Twitter feed you will see overwhelming support for KJK and lots of comments about him being a big part of shutting women's speech down.
The people at that rally and the lesbian project yesterday are noisy children mostly and there is going to be a huge turn in the tide now. So many things have happened recently to pull all this together to show how the TRA activists have become more about men threatening women rather than trans rights.
I'm
Proud to say that a great friend of mine was at the lesbian project yesterday and the reason? I'd sent her the link via this wonderful work on mumsnet and all the amazing women fighting back.

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 26/03/2023 09:46

That handmaiden throwing the liquid over her.

Hopefully one day she will reflect and be ashamed.

Even the likes of Kate Sheppard were resisted by men, not women.

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 26/03/2023 09:47

Whaeanui · 26/03/2023 09:44

Another Kiwi Queen! Eva Richard, an activist for Maori land rights and women’s rights within Maoridom who was most known for the raglan golf course occupation and whose methods included civil disobedience.

I have chosen this photo because I’m in the crowd! It was one of the highlights of my life hearing her speak.

That’s amazing!!

Ohyoudodoyou · 26/03/2023 09:50

Whaeanui · 26/03/2023 09:14

The OP asked for photos of other Queens if I understand correctly? I hope I haven’t misunderstood as I don’t want to derail but I thought this apt.

My personal icon, my absolute shero my whole life, is Maori and women’s rights activist, Dame Whina Cooper. Please look her up, she’s amazing! She founded the Maori womens welfare league, which my grandmother was also a founding member of.

Women traditionally couldn’t speak on marae, but that didn’t stop her. She tells a story of attending a huge hui ( meeting ) with hundreds of people. She stands to speak and the men try to stop her speaking! Yes. So she said, ‘ I had to lift up my skirts and remind them of where they all came from!’

Wonderful.
Women stronger when together, we need each other.

Whaeanui · 26/03/2023 09:54

I’ll add, these women in their day, suffered the kind of resistance Posie did in Auckland. I know because I was there for some of it as I’ve said before. They persisted. That photo of Eva, that event was lied about too and she was spoken about horribly by nz media and by the public- I had to go to work and listen to people say the most awful things. But now she is remembered as a heroine and media have recently apologised for that very event and how we were written about.

Allmyghosts · 26/03/2023 09:58

I had no idea it was so bad in nz. Kjk is fantastic, she inspires so many to speak. Bravo brave lady.

smileladiesplease · 26/03/2023 10:08

She's fantastic.

NZ looks backward

onetimelemon · 26/03/2023 10:09

I live in Auckland. Well, we call it Tamaki Makaurau. We had a big event planned for yesterday in the central city. We had to factor in the protests plus some other stuff, ferry cancellations and so on.

My only disappointment around the Posie Parker thing is that anyone gave her any attention. The arrogance is mind blowing. Steps off a plane and imagines that the women of Aotearoa are in thrall to her. They're not. She is a hate fueller, a Murdoch-styled headline generator, the irl of clickbait. Cheap and nasty.

If she gave a shiny shit about any of us, she would spend time and try to read the room. We are still cleaning up after two catastrophic weather events. Our police force, weirdly enough, is not very impressed with a visitor making excessive demands because she feels she knows how better to New Zealand than the people of the land itself. They had actual stuff to do.

If she genuinely wanted a conversation, there are plenty of ways to go about it. 100 percent bs she wanted to speak and let others speak. She wanted chaos. She wanted headlines. She phones ahead asking for police protection knowing full well she would be rarking up vulnerable communities.

She chooses a very open and public space. She enlists the support of the grotesque Brian Tamaki, the rent-a-supremacist. Whose yobs mowed down the co-leader of the Green Party and failed to stop.

Are we impressed? We are so glad she's gone. Look, if you've got shit to sort out in the UK, maybe focus on that. We know our own people, we know our communities, your shit is not ours. When oh when are the British going to wake up to exactly how ARROGANT they appear. Honestly, the whole thing is cringe.
We did enjoy the tomato sauce though.

onetimelemon · 26/03/2023 10:10

Our event, on the other hand, was a huge success. We know our communities. Thank you Aotearoa for seeing through this bs.

MarshaBradyo · 26/03/2023 10:10

onetimelemon · 26/03/2023 10:09

I live in Auckland. Well, we call it Tamaki Makaurau. We had a big event planned for yesterday in the central city. We had to factor in the protests plus some other stuff, ferry cancellations and so on.

My only disappointment around the Posie Parker thing is that anyone gave her any attention. The arrogance is mind blowing. Steps off a plane and imagines that the women of Aotearoa are in thrall to her. They're not. She is a hate fueller, a Murdoch-styled headline generator, the irl of clickbait. Cheap and nasty.

If she gave a shiny shit about any of us, she would spend time and try to read the room. We are still cleaning up after two catastrophic weather events. Our police force, weirdly enough, is not very impressed with a visitor making excessive demands because she feels she knows how better to New Zealand than the people of the land itself. They had actual stuff to do.

If she genuinely wanted a conversation, there are plenty of ways to go about it. 100 percent bs she wanted to speak and let others speak. She wanted chaos. She wanted headlines. She phones ahead asking for police protection knowing full well she would be rarking up vulnerable communities.

She chooses a very open and public space. She enlists the support of the grotesque Brian Tamaki, the rent-a-supremacist. Whose yobs mowed down the co-leader of the Green Party and failed to stop.

Are we impressed? We are so glad she's gone. Look, if you've got shit to sort out in the UK, maybe focus on that. We know our own people, we know our communities, your shit is not ours. When oh when are the British going to wake up to exactly how ARROGANT they appear. Honestly, the whole thing is cringe.
We did enjoy the tomato sauce though.

Who was violent at the event?

TheCentreSlide · 26/03/2023 10:10

She just wanted to talk about the rights of women and girls. To campaign for women’s rights in the face of great aggression.

Simple as that.

The rage against her (like yours) is fuelled by misogyny.

MarshaBradyo · 26/03/2023 10:11

TheCentreSlide · 26/03/2023 10:10

She just wanted to talk about the rights of women and girls. To campaign for women’s rights in the face of great aggression.

Simple as that.

The rage against her (like yours) is fuelled by misogyny.

Exactly.

It’s bare faced misogyny

WarriorN · 26/03/2023 10:15

So women and children in NZ dont matter?

Gotcha.

nilsmousehammer · 26/03/2023 10:18

We really are down to a line of 'yeah well it's ok to behave like this to people if they (might, possibly, they didn't even let a woman open their mouths) say something that I disagree with'.

The world's taken note. It was disgusting. It was a mob with pitchforks, having totally lost it and gone high on unleashed misogyny.

beastlyslumber · 26/03/2023 10:19

Hello, this is an appreciation thread. If you don't appreciate KJK or other brave women fighting for our rights, then don't post here. There are many other threads for you to pollute with your nonsense.