Kellie-Jay Queen

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This woman has shown just how magnificent she can be in the face of hateful misogyny. When most of us might want to run away from such abuse and attacks, she stands strong.
History is full of such women. Let’s post photos of those Queens who stand up for women.

Of course it's just a small proportion 🙄 but I'd say the sentiment there was a fair reflection of general views - which are intolerant or being intolerant 🤷‍♀️

I agree that Reddit won't be representative.

In my experience most people here are a bit nonplussed by all the gender changes, and find the whole thing a bit tedious. But they aren't up in arms about it. In my workplace that is because there's no benefit in putting your head above the parapet. We all have livings to make.

There is also an instinctive dislike of people coming here and telling us what to do, regardless of what they've got to say, and there is also a dislike of being bombastic. Some of that will be driving the comments.

There is a tendency among people in the UK to regard NZ as backward. I have to say that remarks like that cause annoyance, especially as NZ has historically been ahead of the game in social reforms.

Outside Wellington it's actually quite a conservative place. Wellington, though, is a clapboard Brighton. I wouldn't be surprised if Parker was told by the police that if she spoke there, there would be significant disorder with people being harmed, and the reality is that the police here don't have much experience of dealing with things like that. I wouldn't even be surprised to discover that Parker was told that the government might revoke her visa.

We will see what happens next. Debates can happen very quickly here as it's a small country. David Seymour, an MP and leader of ACT, a libertarian party, has already tweeted his dislike of what happened yesterday, so he clearly thinks he can carve a vote from this.

I understand your frustrations but that's not what I'm saying at all. All In saying is how people here in NZ are likely to view this situation. Don't shoot the messenger.

Typo!! Intolerant of being Intolerant

It's difficult to know from afar where the 'debate' has got to in NZ. But to the poster who was disheartened, is it worth waiting? Sorry if you already know much of this but - In Scotland the mood has turned I think as more people see the issues in the open now. This was mainly due to a story about trans woman in a male prison. More SNP politicians are starting to take account of public opinion- and the TWAW orthodoxy seems to have brought down the 1st minister unthinkable a year or two ago.

I agree I'm also seeing lots of anti KJK chat in NZ but perhaps that's because the TRAs are the more vocal lobby?

Yes. In this clip. The news reporting is incredibly biased.

I think the current position is further over than Scotland.. The Gender Recognition Bill (Scotland) was opposed by the Tories. But its nearest equivalent (the Births, Deaths, Marriages and Relationships Registration Amendment Act) was passed unanimously.

There were events opposing the bill. There was an attempt - unlawfully as it turned out to cancel one. In Wellington, the council transposed the trans colours onto the building that the event was held in. None of this got much traction among the general population.

@TomPinch with Scotland there as that check and balance - the UK govt could override. I think even if they hadn't been able to public opinion was really turning. And in the UK for a long time, the media and politicians have mainly been repeating the orthodoxy...I see that breaking down a little now.

Stop derailing the thread! I want to read people's tributes to KJK. If you want to talk about other stuff, find another thread. There are plenty.

Anyone see Jordan Peterson's tweet today? This is a woman!

@canfor

Yes - there really are very few checks and balances here. NZ is a village of 5 million people - and consensus forms very quickly. The flip side of is that it can be remade very quickly but in the meantime the LGBTQ+ lobby, which is very powerful here, and very very much part of this country's traditions, is firmly on the side of the trans lobby in all respects. My view is that the chance of that changing is nil and it's unlikely that any mainstream politician will challenge them.

How does anyone stop the "wrong" people turning up at public events? It's impossible to police. What would you do?

I love this type of comment. Completely pointless. It's code for "I have no actual argument so I will call you rubbish". That's not quite the standard we aspire to in this forum.

You set out your stall in a way that makes them not want to touch you.

If, say, KJK set herself out as either a campaigner for lesbian rights, or was just a very boring person I suspect they'd have left her alone.

Not easy, to be honest.

What an image

She is courageous

The sycophancy here is on another level isn’t it? Do you honestly not care who supports KJK along with you? Several people have said how awful this church is, and I get the feeling the response is to shrug your shoulders and say “well I know I’m not like that so whatever”. The shit will stick to every GC person whether you like or support KJK or not. Why doesn’t that bother you people?

I've been APPALLED at some of the NZ media coverage. Don't think I've ever seen such awful obvious propaganda.

I hope that the sports stuff and Cass and various u turns for paediatric 'trans' care etc starts filter through.

Reddit is not representative of anything . The GC sub Reddit was deleted by than loon Aimee Challenor. It had 62, 000 subscribers. The detrans sub Reddit was also binned ...but may be back now?

I deleted Reddit back then so wouldn't know. Looking at Twitter I'd say 90% of comments are supporting GC women.

As pp have said though these sites are less important than they'd have you believe. I read that the mighty Twitter reaches 8% of the worlds population. Even in Europe/ USA it's only 15%.

The most encouraging thing I've read in years!

It is - the smearing has been shocking and troubling

Well that was utterly shamefull and the closest I have ever seen in a western city to a woman being torn limb from limb by an out of control baying mob, all brought to you by the good folks at Main Stream Media.
Had they injured or even killed her they Media would have been queuing up to distance themselves from responsibility and saying she brought it on herself

Of course it's just a small proportion 🙄 but I'd say the sentiment there was a fair reflection of general views - which are intolerant or being intolerant

Reddit isn't remotely representative. It skews very young and very woke and is deliberately moderated to be that way.

What a brilliant image!

You know what, it’s sickening how good she still looks having been ‘souped’ - like one of those women that take part in ‘Colour Runs’ and come out if it still looking fresh as a daisy covered in powder paint.

If I was souped I’d bloody look like I’d been souped. Bloody hell Kellie, give a mere mortals a chance will you! 😂😂

In case anyone needs one:

If all a bunch of religious men did to 'support' her was do an orchestrated war dance, rather than actually help her out, then what support is this exactly? I watched the footage live and saw no men helping her that weren't being paid to do so.

It could have easily been this.

A women taken out by a mob, a few countries can claim that

@TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand Kia Ora! I understand your frustrations. But there is a glimmer of hope. Things can take time to change sometimes in NZ. But if anyone thinks Posies visit was only received negatively by NZers they are mistaken. Mainstream media aren’t ever going to show you the truth on this kind of thing. They never have in all my decades of protesting different issues, my mother has been protesting a long time too. Kiwis know what the media are like. A lot of kiwis didn’t know what self ID law meant or that it even happened. I think the world rugby decision on banning trans women from women’s competitions raised awareness a lot, as rugby is the main sport and like a religion. That issue really opened people’s eyes because NZ Rugby didn’t agree with it and had allowed it at amateur level. They have been consulting on that policy now for over 3 years, I made a submission myself, so did the players who overwhelmingly do not think males should play in women’s competition- that didn’t make headlines at all btw. They seem scared to do anything and likely waited on other organisations like RFU.

If you live in a (white) middle class bubble or think what NZ media says is gospel, you may think this is a done deal. But outside of that, people there are starting to become aware or have been fighting this for some time. A lot of them Maori and Polynesian women. They are not going to let this go. Trust me. I have whanau, and there are many many Maori doing this, who are still combing through piles of documents to find all the bits of land taken from us. Our language was banned from being taught at all in my lifetime and now it’s going to be part of mainstream learning alongside English- officially rather than us having separate schools only teaching it. Twenty years ago I had in laws tell me not to bother teaching my kids Maori, it was a dead language. Now their kids learn it at school. I felt hopeless yesterday, but today I feel Posies spirit and her drive and think, we will win this war, even if we lose the odd battle along the way.

Thanks Posie, & Kia Kaha!