Kellie-Jay Queen

[Soontobe60]

This woman has shown just how magnificent she can be in the face of hateful misogyny. When most of us might want to run away from such abuse and attacks, she stands strong.
History is full of such women. Let’s post photos of those Queens who stand up for women.

KJK is what a woman looks like.

I feel this is a turning point. People are waking up.

Feminism is for all women, even those who belong to this whatever church.

Because women can't stop men being violent to them, how do you stop men supporting you when you don't want them to?

Because denounces them just gets ignored anyway so why keep repeating ourselves?

Who determines who is a wrong person? Now it is someone most of us can agree on, but KJK is a good example of the ever shifting criteria of being a 'wrong one'

Because it is a negatieve energy inducing and exhausting to keep having to justify yourself that you want single sex spaces and sports

Because we cannot believe some people will believe lies and slander over and over again because they are fearful they will get smeared too (see how it works: wrong dude shows up, women who are there are bad, therefore women who share other womans ideas are bad too, everything gets tainted with an association that was never there)

Several people have said how awful this church is, and I get the feeling the response is to shrug your shoulders and say “well I know I’m not like that so whatever”. The shit will stick to every GC person whether you like or support KJK or not. Why doesn’t that bother you people?

The church and that stupid man turn up to everything, kiwis know this. The media themselves said he was a counter protest to Posie and even blamed him for the violence against her.

All In saying is how people here in NZ are likely to view this situation. Don't shoot the messenger.

One man’s opinion though. People at your workplace don’t represent rural kiwis do they? And you’re not kiwi yourself so I think you don’t have the best perspective on this.

Because they know they have no counter arguments. They know their position is incoherent, nonsensical and flies in the face of reason and safeguarding.

That’s why they can’t let us speak. That’s why they can’t debate. Because what we say makes sense and they don’t.

«Because they know they have no counter arguments. They know their position is incoherent, nonsensical and flies in the face of reason and safeguarding.
That’s why they can’t let us speak. That’s why they can’t debate. Because what we say makes sense and they don’t. »

Perfectly put.

I am kiwi.

And while I accept it's just my opinion it's an informed one and most kiwis are not rural.

While I accept that a Maori flying wedge would change the debate I see no signs of one forming. What I am seeing is claims that before colonialism trans people were normal and accepted. I doubt this is accurate but I see no public contradiction.

Kia ora @Whaeanui - thanks for sharing your viewpoint!

I know the media slant isn’t the real slant, but the counter protest just seemed so overwhelming. I am in the NZ SUFW FB group, so I know what is being said behind closed doors, and I also know what people are saying in conversations behind closed doors, because I’m part of them - although I am also in Wellington so I so clearly see this side of it, as well.

Interested to hear your viewpoint as wahine(?) Māori, as I saw the interview with Marama Davidson being massively pro-TRA and saying te ao Māori is ‘far less boring than just binary’, and I figure if tangata whenua are against this, we have a losing battle on our hands.

Apologies to whoever thinks we’re detailing, but this has just happened here - it’s important, and we’re trying to process it. OK?

What appallingly biased reporting. No wonder NZ is captured if that is the Putinesque level of biased, propagandarising media they have. They never interviewed one of KJK’s supporters.

The BBC is not perfect but it does stand as a buffer against a totally politicized and polarized media. They have really imporived their coverage of this issue from where it was.

*derailing (I thought I fixed that typo).

Ah, she's a legend! So brave.

What narrative had those crowds been fed? They were so angry and mental they obviously had not understood the matter at hand and had been whipped up. The few sane GC ones were nice normal women. The whole think was frightening- the spectator article was spot on

Posie is amazing I bet she will be so relieved to get back to the saintly of Wiltshire (am here too). Always knew NZ ers were abit weird a few members of my extended family have emigrated there and they were all odd.. one daughter was normal she moved back to England

We’re not all ‘weird’, thanks @TheaBrandt

This TRA is getting his arse handed to him on LinkedIn - comments are glorious

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/brian-cox-0b340b8worst-place-posie-parker-leaves-nz-after-activity-7045596954566787072-grvL?utmmsource=share&utmmedium=memberrios

Interested to hear your viewpoint as wahine(?) Māori, as I saw the interview with Marama Davidson being massively pro-TRA and saying te ao Māori is ‘far less boring than just binary’, and I figure if tangata whenua are against this, we have a losing battle on our hands

Nobody I know, in my whanau, Iwi or friend group, have any respect for Marama. She has no political weight either. She’s not a Maori representative for most of us and we know her nonsense about multiple genders before the white man is total crap. She is the voice MSM are amplifying, that’s all.

Ka pai.

Very interesting, thank you

To get back to the title of the thread:

KJK, you are an inspiration. 💐 Adult human female exemplar.
To hell with the defamers, the detractors and the derailers.
Women all over the world know what you are about, and we won't wheesht.

Apologies @TomPinch I thought you were living there and not kiwi. . I doubt this is accurate but I see no public contradiction. Because nz media wouldn’t publish it. The fact is every Maori I know, thinks that thinking is stupid and we know it isn’t true. We have no records ti even show that so how would anyone know? Fa’afafine is being appropriated to try and claim it was throughout our cultures pre colonisation, and they are also misrepresenting Samoan culture by claiming Fa’afafine are the same as modern transgenderism. Which is not true. Nobody in Samoan culture thinks you can change sex. Everyone in Polynesia is well aware of how babies are made and that sex is binary.

That photo of Posie, amazing!! What a shero

There's several threads today where the same posters are posting what looks rather like blunt provocation to start an argument in the guise of a different opinion, and make the thread nothing more than a pointless interaction with them going over the same ground every day. Noticeable too that if no one rises to it, they post again louder to get the response. Please just shrug and move on, reacting doesn't achieve much.

Now that I think about it, not one Māori person I know in my huge organisation - with many Māori employees - has pronouns in their email sig.
I am going to look out for that now.

Someone’s been very quick to update KJKs wiki page to removing woman’s rights campaigner to “anti trans” and suggesting she’s far right. It’s crazy that the far left can’t see how authoritarian they are. Hope she’s doing ok.

Do you honestly not care who supports KJK along with you? Several people have said how awful this church is, and I get the feeling the response is to shrug your shoulders and say “well I know I’m not like that so whatever”.

Every serial killer in history believed that the sky is blue. Literally every single one. I’m not going to change my opinion (that the sky is, in fact, blue) just because some very bad people agree with me. Guilt-by-association is often bollocks, and the threat of it is just not enough to make me disbelieve the evidence of my own eyes and ears.

KJK is an astoundingly brave woman. I adore how straight forward she is. Let Women Speak is an excellent approach in this area, because fighting it makes it crystal clear that the other side are nothing more than misogynists.

The OP asked for photos of other Queens if I understand correctly? I hope I haven’t misunderstood as I don’t want to derail but I thought this apt.

My personal icon, my absolute shero my whole life, is Maori and women’s rights activist, Dame Whina Cooper. Please look her up, she’s amazing! She founded the Maori womens welfare league, which my grandmother was also a founding member of.

Women traditionally couldn’t speak on marae, but that didn’t stop her. She tells a story of attending a huge hui ( meeting ) with hundreds of people. She stands to speak and the men try to stop her speaking! Yes. So she said, ‘ I had to lift up my skirts and remind them of where they all came from!’

I read earlier today that only TRAs have access to her Wiki page. Don’t know how that can be true?