Standing for Women - NZ tour discussion. (To prevent further derailing of the thread for centring the women)

[Helleofabore]

Let’s move the general discussion about the New Zealand ‘Let Women Speak’ tour out of the thread set up to centre the women speaking at the Australian and New Zealand tours.

This was the live feed.

https://www.youtube.com/live/eDuy2Kx2HlI?feature=share

The event was over run by violent trans activists. Not only did they use the usual intimidation tactics, but also threw substances at Kellie Jay, the women and the security.

This is Green mp Marama Davidson in the counter protest, saying she knows who commits violence and it’s ‘c*s white men’.
she really said that. It’s easy to prove this is false and I’m embarrassed she has anything to do with government
https://mobile.twitter.com/RealJTFowler/status/1639486445487558656

Laughing as she lies, politicians are odd people.

Yeah I have completely lost faith in politicians, all of them. They’re always let downs. My first ever vote went to The Green Party of NZ. I would never vote for them now.

Excellent coverage on GB news with Andrew Doyle, the only decent one I've seen by any broadcaster, followed by a discussion with Ella Wheelan and Helen Joyce.

Shahrar Ali

Not sure what's more terrifying:Totalitarian mob siding with repeated punching of 70 year old woman (pictured) thinking they are right side of history. Deafening silence of politicians to condemn this violent misogyny (with some in my own party either making light or condoning)

This might sound mad to some - but since yesterdays scenes i have actually decided i will vote Conservative for the first time ever.

Why?

Up until yesterday I had got to a point where I knew I could not vote green, lib dem nor labour, due to their TWAW stance, but I also didn't want to vote conservative, for many, many reasons. I called myself politically homeless.

But after witnessing those scenes in Auckland, I realide how out of hand things can get if the politicians don't take women's rights seriously.

And so I think I am actually going to vote conservative because I have the most faith that they will protect freedom of speech, womens rights and also not capitulate to loud angry youth.

The Labour Party and the Lib Dem’s and the Greens are a dire threat to women’s rights.

It’s fucking shocking that it has come to this.

That is a good idea. It's really frustrating when a video disappears. Even more common on Twitter and other social media when a post gets reported or an account suspended.

The guy who made the overhead drone videos asked for acknowledgment when one of his videos was downloaded and clipped without attribution. The clip was to highlight footage of the "Attack of the 50 Foot Drag Queen".

So he might be OK with his videos being re-uploaded with acknowledgement?

https://mobile.twitter.com/SimonRAnderson1/status/1639864192437194752

Sometimes it is hard to know who shot the original video, as in the case above. That clip was taken from a copy that someone else had made without attribution.

This is all off the top of my head from memory so best to check the content in the linked articles in case I have got anything wrong:

If someone does "claim copyright" when a video is re-uploaded to YouTube then you might get a "copyright strike" (three strikes and YouTube nukes your Channel).

Copyright claims and copyright strikes are different things:

https://tuberanker.com/blog/copyright-claim-youtube

However, you get the opportunity to contact the copyright owner who has complained, in order to request permission to leave the copy up.

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7002106?hl=en

It's mostly big companies like Warner Bros that are arses and refuse permission and get YT to delete videos they claim. In one notorious case a woman who demonstrates crochet techniques had her video deleted because there was a radio playing quietly in the background. One of the songs played for about 15 seconds was copyright to Warner Bros so they claimed copyright of her video and had YT delete it.

If it is a normal, sensible person they will probably let you keep the video up as long as you agree to their copyright claim, which enables them to receive any advertising revenue accrued from views of the copy on your Channel.

As part of the process of uploading there is an automated check to see if the material is copyrighted:

https://www.trustedreviews.com/how-to/tell-if-youtube-content-is-copyrighted-4129385

IIRC there is a privacy issue with the copyright claim process. Remember that creep Yaniv? IIRC the channel's email is shared with the copyright claimant - I can't find confirmation of that but there is something in the back of my mind about JY obtaining contact details of channel owners via the copyright claim system.

There are easy ways to download YT videos here:

http://deturl.com/

For Twitter and other social media platforms, do an internet search for, eg. "Download Twitter video" and there should be several options in the search results.

Bosky, can a video be produced from all the footage and in the description say if this is your footage can you contact us to attribute it you? Especially if it's just members of the public? And not companies/corps?

https://twitter.com/MKorero/status/1640140420075393025?s=19

Just seen this thread which is interesting

I think that it may have been a mistake to decline interviews. They could at least have had a chance to put their side and to have insisted on having some of the footage shown.

Am I right to assume that in NZ, like the UK, people being interviewed have a definite right to reply?

New Zealand podcast/radio show that has extended to a 3 partner to discuss Albert Park and take calls from women who were there
(Posted to both threads)

• 3- parter, not partner

In one of those links, I can't recall which one, it says that attribution in the video description is not enough to counter a copyright claim or strike.

However, practically speaking, I think it makes a difference when dealing with humans, who are likely to appreciate the goodwill and courtesy, rather than robot algorithms. If someone spots that their work has been re-uploaded they are less likely to be hurt or annoyed and might be very happy to have their work copied with attribution. Others will be less generous.

It is very annoying when people steal your work without attribution. I spent a lot of time making a quite lengthy "historical documentary" type video of a disaster in which many people died because I was shocked that there was not a single video about it. I went to the trouble of obtaining permission to use all the photographs and audio I included, listing full credits and permissions in the description.

It has been stolen umpteen times over the years without any attributions or credits to anyone. I think that is pretty bad form but, as the original audio was not copyrighted by the composer it is not flagged up automatically by the algorithms. It is still the most popular video by far on my Channel but there is no "loss" to me I did not monetise it, feeling that would be disrespectful to the subject matter and the relatives of those who died. It annoys me for that reason that some people who have stolen it have also monetised it as I feel they are fraudulently profiting from a horrible tragedy. I am not going to bother going after them for it though. Life is too short 🤷‍♀️

Beasts attacking those women!! 😡

Simon Anderson, the guy who published the drone footage on Twitter: ❤

"I have published all of the material I captured to the following Youtube playlist under a Creative Commons licence. No-one needs my permission to use any of it, though I would appreciate an attribution and would love a link to derivative works."

https://twitter.com/SimonRAnderson1/status/1640151138648600577

YouTube playlist:
"Let Women Speak Tour. Albert Park, Auckland. 25/iii/2023"
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGgXu42XHnjMTvEb56kUjHuMatEPxrXd4

After watching that video is it me or are the people listening to the let women speak(ers) massively outnumbered by the yobs? It comes across as feeding the ducks people versus football hooligans. Which just emphasises how bullying and thuggish the MRAs looked when they broke through.

Update - the person that assaulted KJK with the tomato juice is on the run 😂

https://twitter.com/ElianaRubashkyn/status/1640672937962516480

Replying to @ LadyNightscale

“Yes they issued a warrant of arrest”

Thread starts here

https://twitter.com/ElianaRubashkyn/status/1640639580344037377

I love being a fugitive

slaaaaaaay

Pictures attached in case of deletion….

Pride began with a brick!

So he’s got an arrest warrant out for him but he’s doubling down and actually justifying it and talking about bricks. Jfc

looks like he's deleted his account?

https://www.todayfm.co.nz/home/national/2023/03/police-minister-ginny-andersen-defends-handling-of-antitrans-protest-in-auckland.html

This is an interesting interview.

This interviewer was not allowing the minister to wriggle.

Some good interviewing there - sticking to specifics and firsthand knowledge. Enjoyed the interviewer calling out the fact that the minister was reading out talking points rather than giving useful info 😂

I liked it as it felt like actual journalism. As she said, it didn't matter what she personally thought of Kellie Jay Keen, she absolutely saw the issues and pressed to get answers. So much of what is published or broadcast today is opinion.

I did feel for a new Police Minister. However, it would have also been the right time to signal that violent and intimidation is simply not going to be tolerated in some protestors warped opinion that what happened on Saturday was 'peaceful'.

Peaceful, my arse!

Tova O’Brien got a lot of grief during covid for asking questions and not blindly thinking our great leader was god and made all the right decisions by default

The Police Minister has been in post less than three weeks. There's an article stating there have been six in six years, I'm not sure if she's the sixth or the seventh.