Standing for Women - NZ tour discussion. (To prevent further derailing of the thread for centring the women)

[Helleofabore]

Let’s move the general discussion about the New Zealand ‘Let Women Speak’ tour out of the thread set up to centre the women speaking at the Australian and New Zealand tours.

This was the live feed.

https://www.youtube.com/live/eDuy2Kx2HlI?feature=share

The event was over run by violent trans activists. Not only did they use the usual intimidation tactics, but also threw substances at Kellie Jay, the women and the security.

Same here. I've never been to one of her events either but I'll certainly be going now. Even better, there are women and men who want to come with me.

You call 'em "powerful forces" if it makes you feel a little better pet, everyone else can see that these trans "rights" activists are in fact filthy woman beating, woman hating thugs.

So kind and tolerant they are, punching 70 year old women in the face. So stunning. So brave.

It's OK Helle, it's just another woman being assaulted. Nothing to worry your pretty little head about. Especially as she deserved it. She made them assault her.

@Clymene

That’s a really upsetting read, thank you for sharing

Lols. You misinterpret my feminism. It comes from a place of inclusion, and rational discussion, not fear and intolerance that attracts nazis.

Too much time being spent on a small proportion of the community, when it is men, opportunity for all women and the patriarchal system we should still be focus on.

Trans by crossing gender norms is good. As it breaks down the mentality of society dictated norms.

Besides. I don't mind being a counter and showing a different perspective without resorting to simple name calling. I am far, far from anti-women. That is just offensive to me. I'm an old fashioned feminist and happy to adapt to new thinking of the younger generation.

I don't condone the soup on Posie. The situation was out of control. I am however amazed that she claims it's simply about letting women speak. Why are the Nazis and other extremists being attracted to this?

Anyone it is a cheerful afternoon on the boards today.

You're not the only one! All my intellectual book reading has historically revolved around building techniques and sewerage systems!

These days I remain a member of the Labour party purely so i can harangue them on the phone when they ring looking for my help or my vote!

They're reduced to a pathetic, snivelling, snot-bubbling mess because women's words are LITERAL VIOLENCE, but happy to excuse women actually being assaulted.

I feel sorry for any women in their lives. If they're happy to beat women in public, and others are happy to excuse women being assaulted, what are these pricks like behind closed doors?

All piss taking aside, if I was on “the other side” and I was reading SM, I’d be starting to get worried.

Scratch that - I’m getting more worried anyway.

The right think we are private property, the left think we are public property, and the amount of men who are seeing the shit show of (the almost unopposed) violence against women this weekend for our temerity of gathering to talk is picking up pace, and I fear the pendulums swing.

What has been gained by women and LGB in having the right to exist equally is under severe threat.
I fear this could be the catalyst for male violence under the fig leaf excuse of protecting ‘their women’ and the backlash will harm us all.

I’m also fairly sure this will still be women’s fault (the rules in’it) cos we feminist wrong however we do it.

Lols. You misinterpret my feminism. It comes from a place of inclusion, and rational discussion, not fear and intolerance that attracts nazis

Inclusion but not if it includes KJK.

Rational discussion? No comment.

Fear and intolerance? Why are you so fearing and intolerant of her?. And enough with the nazis she didn't invite them, she didn't encourage them, she's not in league with them and she did bloody denounce them. But it's not enough for some people is it? Certainly not the tolerant inclusive ones.

The women who have slated KJK should hang their heads in absolute shame. They helped fuel that fire. The ones who creid that KJK should denounce Nazis. Will they denounce this shitshow?

Come from a position of fear, and not tolerance, and you do unearth some powerful forces that you may not actually like.

So if women are fearful they might encounter violence they don’t like…. Well that doesn’t sound threatening and condoning violent men at all 😐

that attracts nazis

so if Nazis disrupt someone else’s protest, and publicly say they don’t support that person or their protest, it’s still a punishable offence because it’s your fault for having a protest at all.

Let’s remember what happens at her events, lots of different women, some with stories that involve violence or abuse, get to speak. The central message simply being: men can never be women and therefore they never belong in women’s spaces. How in gods name is that trying to lure Nazis to these events? That involve Maori activists. You know, people the Nazis hate.

Nope! they are all on here today doubling down on the she deserved it she brought it on herself.

I'm disgusted!

You misinterpret my feminism. It comes from a place of inclusion

If it includes men (however they ‘identify’) then it’s not feminism.

However, I do acknowledge your need to redefine the words women, inclusion, men, feminism.

Yes. Sounds horribly like, "Crying? I'll give you something to cry about? Frightened of me, are you? I'll give you something to be frightened of!"

Funny isn't it how all those brave male anti-nazi pro trans protestors never punched ANY of the actual Nazis that showed up.
Instead they terrified a bunch of women; all smaller and weaker....

Ahhh the soundtrack of my childhood!

Maybe that's why i hate this whole she deserves it, she courts it, she made them do it.

No! No she doesn't. No one deserves what that angry braying mob did yesterday. No one.

You seem to think you are onto something new and radical. Explaining about how good it is to reject gender as if part of some vanguard movement new to society and unknown to previous generations of women.

The trans movement is itself extreme. Like attracts like. The behaviour of those mobs is actually far more reminiscent of Nazism than anything you will encounter when listening to women speak.

The over-use of the words 'Nazi' to describe anyone who has no time for queer or intersectionalist identity politics has brought about the very behaviour it purports to condemn.

I'm also sick to death of hearing the term 'patriarchy' being trotted out ( so 1970's student politics), whilst at the same time suggesting that feminism should be inclusive to men. Feminism - the clue is in the name - centres women. That's the point.

Lols. You misinterpret my feminism. It comes from a place of inclusion, and rational discussion, not fear and intolerance that attracts nazis.

Your lovely, tolerant, inclusive version of feminism attracts men who choose to punch pensioner women in the face instead of nazis.

I don't actually believe you are an "old fashioned feminist". You can't possibly be - as you don'ts eem to be able to grasp even the basics. I think you are a lot younger than you claim. Not that there is anything necessarily wrong with youthful zeal, except for when it tips over into self righteousness.

The over-use of the words 'Nazi' to describe anyone who has no time for queer or intersectionalist identity politics has brought about the very behaviour it purports to condemn.

This with bells on.

Far left 'feminism' can do one. Really it can. It stands for men.

Yep. Been there and this is all too familiar.

I do wonder if at least some of the female #BeKind brigade are so unfamiliar with being on the receiving end of male violence, psychological torture and manipulation that they simply cannot imagine the reality of it.

Some things, the involuntary covert signs and "tells", are just invisible to them.

I think some of those lucky enough to have never experienced any of the crap have not one single iota of understanding of just how evil life can be. How evil some men can be.

Whereas some of us have had a lifetime of being on alert to those tells!

Do you unreservedly condemn the violence directed at KJK?
Does your feminism allow for people to express views you may not agree with without being subjected to mob violence?
Do women have the right to expect to be listened to?
KJK went to speak, to state her views. You may or may not agree with her but surely you recognise that she had the right to state them without a violent response. Free speech doesn’t just apply to people you agree with.