Sky News: Starmer will lose the election on day 1 unless he shifts his trans rights position

[SirSamVimesCityWatch]

Apologies if there's already a thread. This appeared last night on the Sky News.

It seems that some grown ups people in the Labour party are finally paying attention.

https://news.sky.com/story/keir-starmer-will-lose-election-campaign-on-day-one-over-his-trans-rights-position-labour-strategists-warn-12841099

[Waitwhat23]

When a politician says TWAW, they either -

a) actually believe that human beings can magically change sex, in case I seriously question their intelligence and critical thinking skills

or

b) don't actually believe it but don't have the personal or moral integrity to challenge those who insist in the existence of a magical gender fairy and are trying to force through poor legislation, in which case I don't trust them to challenge anything.

[BreadInCaptivity]

The fundamental problem for me is that if you say TWAW you simultaneously are and logically have to mean that women are Trans women.

Both are true or neither are true insofar you have to understand what a woman is in order to state a male can identify into that identity.

Once you state that you are enforcing not only the existence of "gender" (irrespective of any evidence that it is anything beyond a social construct) but prescribing a gender identity on people irrespective of their wishes/feelings/authentic selves/lived existence.

That's not a liberal concept. It's authoritarian.

It's not progressive.

The premise of gender ideology is insidious and creates a wedge for future violations of reality and safeguarding - the rise of MAP and Incel propaganda doesn't exist within a vacuum.

Voting for a party that's infected by this ideology begs the question what else it's susceptible to.

Labour have a long way to go before they really are in a position to be elected and despite current polling, I'll place a bet they won't be in govt after the next GE unless there is a very substantive change in approach.

[ZuttZeVootEeeVo]

@Waitwhat23

When a politician says TWAW, they either -

a) actually believe that human beings can magically change sex, in case I seriously question their intelligence and critical thinking skills

or

b) don't actually believe it but don't have the personal or moral integrity to challenge those who insist in the existence of a magical gender fairy and are trying to force through poor legislation, in which case I don't trust them to challenge anything.

Its just as likely sexist stereotypes - woman wears lipstick and dresses, a man a scowl and checked shirt.

Or they believe men have the right to definine woman and be one if they wish? And so what if children and womrn get hurt in the process.

Whatever the reason, its not good.

[Howpo]

There seems to be plenty on the right (in the UK) who pander to this rubbish too.
Like Brexit, its a not a simple left right issue, as much as some would like it to be, the present Govt has made it easier and easier for men to become "women" with more gender clinics and around 420 men each year getting a GRC, with hardly any refused.

I believe Terresa May started the ball rolling most recently, then Sturgeon and which party has a trans MP who got huge sympathy and understanding from especially his own tory MPs when he announced he was in fact a woman.

[BloodyHellKen]

the present Govt has made it easier and easier for men to become "women" with more gender clinics and around 420 men each year getting a GRC, with hardly any refused

If these 420 have had surgery, or plan to in the very near future and take hormones etc and have been professionally assessed then I personally don't have a problem with them having a GRC. I don't welcome surgery on physically healthy people for gender dysphoria any more than I welcome telling anorexics they are actually fat and should lose some weight, but that is an argument for another time.

It's the self ID where literally and Tom, Dick or Harry can 'be a woman' I have issue with which is very much a left wing thing IMO.

which party has a trans MP who got huge sympathy and understanding from especially his own tory MPs when he announced he was in fact a woman

You must be referring to Jamie Wallis the MP who 'wants to be trans' (his words), still uses he/him pronouns, dresses in traditional male clothing and to all intents and purposes is a man (who like dressing in women's clothing) 😂

From where I'm sitting it is (unfortunately) very much a left wing thing.

[Chersfrozenface]

See, that's the thing with Jamie Wallis.

He doesn't say he wants to be a women.

He says he wants to be "trans". Whatever that is, He hasn't defined or described it.

I wonder what he thinks "trans" is.

(Apart from a get-treated-leniently card when caught speeding or other law-breaking, which is what a person could easily imply from his actions, not what he himself has said.)